View Poll Results: If a person smears a Christian as a "homophobe," should that person returh fire?

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  • Yes. If they call you a homophobe you should be able to comment on their morals/etc.

    5 16.67%
  • No, they shouldn't return fire because they deserve it.

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  • Simply ignore the smears and continue debating.

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  • How about we show some respect and NOT smear eachother?

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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I explained clearly how denying gay people equal rights or persecuting them harms them... Are you really saying you don't agree that it is harmful to persecute somebody and strip them of their rights? Of course it does. Now sometimes it's worth it. Sometimes stripping somebody of their rights or locking them up or denouncing them or whatever is outweighed by the benefits. For example, it harms a burglar to lock them up, but it's worth it because it is offset by the benefit to society that there are hopefully going to be fewer burglaries in the future as a result. But in a case where it is just harm with no benefit, there really isn't any complicated reasoning required. You're weighing some amount of harm against zero benefit.

    So, all you need to know to form a position on the issue is that needless cruelty is wrong. I can't prove to you that needless cruelty is wrong. If you don't think it is, that's more of an emotional problem or a socialization problem or something than a logical problem, so I can't change it with reasoned arguments. It's something that people figure out, or don't, below the level at which logic operates.
    You just continue to beg the question. You continue to claim that homosexuality shouldn't be what you refer to as persecuted, that it should have what you refer to as equal marriage, that harm should be defined as you briefly state and that yours is the only way to think about marriage. You need more arguments and less assumptions.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You just continue to beg the question. You continue to claim that homosexuality shouldn't be what you refer to as persecuted, that it should have what you refer to as equal marriage, that harm should be defined as you briefly state and that yours is the only way to think about marriage. You need more arguments and less assumptions.
    Well, anyways dude. Obviously you're just going to keep cutting and pasting the same reply, so I guess we're done. But I hope you give it some thought.

    The main thing that I think you ought to consider is that there are two parties involved- those who oppose same sex marriage and those who are gay. Denying gay people equal rights has zero impact on the people who oppose same sex marriage. They gain nothing. So the only relevant question is whether it is harmful to somebody to be denied equal rights or not.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, anyways dude. Obviously you're just going to keep cutting and pasting the same reply, so I guess we're done. But I hope you give it some thought.

    The main thing that I think you ought to consider is that there are two parties involved- those who oppose same sex marriage and those who are gay. Denying gay people equal rights has zero impact on the people who oppose same sex marriage. They gain nothing. So the only relevant question is whether it is harmful to somebody to be denied equal rights or not.
    And I hope you stop begging the question. Your arguments are so brief, perfunctory and question begging as to be totally unacceptable for showing why Christians who wish to prevent gay marriage are bigots or any of the other claims you have made.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You supported it with more question begging. You supported your unproved assumption that such Christians are bigots with the unproved assumption it is not their business what homosexuals do.
    It's not though.

    The sex lives of strangers is nobody else's business. If you think otherwise, I have alot of nosy questions for you.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    And I hope you stop begging the question. Your arguments are so brief, perfunctory and question begging as to be totally unacceptable for showing why Christians who wish to prevent gay marriage are bigots or any of the other claims you have made.
    He asked a new question though. Answer it.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's not though.

    The sex lives of strangers is nobody else's business.
    Who says? You cannot just make assertions like this without anything else and expect them to be taken as irrefutable or any real sort of argument.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 01-23-12 at 10:16 PM.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    He asked a new question though. Answer it.
    I did, that question involved the same brief, perfunctory and question begging basis I have been referring to. It was all just assertions that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone, there is nothing wrong with it and therefore should have no sanctions against it in any way. He may be right, that is not what I'm arguing, just that you can't make these assertions without giving a proper argument for them, simply stating them is not enough.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Who says? You cannot just make assertions like this.
    What business is it of yours what two people you don't know do in the privacy of their own bedroom? (or any other room)
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have a few questions.

    I notice that there are people who are more socially-liberal who, continuously, insult the more socially-conservative for their stances on social issues.

    This is what I ask: If a liberal slanders a Christian by calling him/her a "homophobe/whatever," why should that person not turn around and insult the person's degenerate moral character?

    What do we do about this? Why is it that those more on the left are allowed to smear people with epithets of "racist/homophobe/bigot/etc?"

    Why shouldn't those being smeared with those malicious insults not turn around and at least chastise them on their moral degeneracy?

    Or, better yet, why can't we seem to get people [all people] to stop smearing/insulting eachother?
    If a person who supported segregation did so because he believed blacks were inferior to whites and the races should not mingle, we would call that person a bigot. Right?

    Why is it so difficult for you to understand that when you express a similarly negative opinion about gays (based mostly on your fears about homosexuality and your clinging to one or two misunderstood lines of scripture) then you ARE, in fact, a HOMOPHOBE.



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    Re: Slander in Politics

    The only time it would be wrong to call a Christian a homophobe is when they are giving away their son at his gay wedding.

    In other words, it's only slander if it is not true.

    Are you or aren't you a homophobe? Do you look down on gays as sinners not deserving to get married and adopt children? If so, you're a homophobe.

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