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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To them, it's not bigotry. They aren't trying to get you to buy something. They are expressing their own thoughts, based on their belief system. If you don't agree, then that's no problem, but they are no more bigots for living according to their beliefs than you are.
    No, their beliefs are bigotry.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    So who decides what's bigoted? Have you issued a rule book for the rest of us to abide by?
    That is not a real argument. It's like arguing that Magic Johnson isn't "tall" because there isn't any universally recognized body that determines how much height is required to be considered tall...

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To them, it's not bigotry. They aren't trying to get you to buy something. They are expressing their own thoughts, based on their belief system. If you don't agree, then that's no problem, but they are no more bigots for living according to their beliefs than you are.
    If somebody doesn't like homosexuality and they want to live by those beliefs, that is (of course) totally fine. By all means, nobody is trying to make them be gay or something. But when they try to persecute others or deny them equal rights, that's a whole different ball of wax. Then it becomes bigotry.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To them, it's not bigotry. They aren't trying to get you to buy something. They are expressing their own thoughts, based on their belief system. If you don't agree, then that's no problem, but they are no more bigots for living according to their beliefs than you are.
    The problem with this is that bigotry doesn't depend on your motivations. And now matter how fervently someone believes their position is noble, if it is demonstrably wrong, such as anti-gay bigotry, then that person is still bigoted and wrong. The strength of a belief has no bearing on its validity. Claiming faith and religion as a shield against being wrong? That's bull and we all know it. That's just an appeal to authority. No matter what authority you're appealing to, it's still just a fallacy.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, their beliefs are bigotry.
    The original meaning of bigot was a "religious hypocrite". That would be one who proclaimed to believe one thing, but acted in the opposite fashion. Those who oppose gay marriage based on their religious beliefs are not bigots. They may be distasteful to you the individual, but bigots they are not.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The original meaning of bigot was a "religious hypocrite".
    That's not the meaning most people use now though.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's not the meaning most people use now though.
    It's not my fault if people can't figure out context and meaning, and prefer to use it for their own ends.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's not my fault if people can't figure out context and meaning, and prefer to use it for their own ends.
    Huh?

    You used a word in a way most don't.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Huh?

    You used a word in a way most don't.
    Exactly what I said. The original definition of bigot is "religious hypocrite". Just because "most people" don't understand the difference between a bigot and someone who holds to their beliefs in an honest manner, it doesn't mean that the definition has changed. It just reflects that people like to throw terms around for the purpose of inflaming those with whom they don't agree, and trying to emotionally manipulate them into submission.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That is not a real argument. It's like arguing that Magic Johnson isn't "tall" because there isn't any universally recognized body that determines how much height is required to be considered tall...
    They weren't arguments, they were questions. Have you designated yourself to be the arbitrator of bigotry? If so, it would be incumbent on you to explain your criteria and guide us.

    Fair enough? Or are afraid of coming off pompous and self righteous?

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