View Poll Results: If a person smears a Christian as a "homophobe," should that person returh fire?

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  • Yes. If they call you a homophobe you should be able to comment on their morals/etc.

    5 16.67%
  • No, they shouldn't return fire because they deserve it.

    1 3.33%
  • Simply ignore the smears and continue debating.

    3 10.00%
  • How about we show some respect and NOT smear eachother?

    16 53.33%
  • Don't know/Other

    5 16.67%
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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It is totally irrelevant whether Christianity is "wrong" or not. That has nothing to do with anything. Maybe some people think it is immoral not to give 50% of your income to hunger relief. Certainly a very compelling case can be made that saving a child from starvation is more important than that starbucks no fat latte, right? Does that mean that we should go around passing laws punishing people who don't give 50% of their income to hunger relief and whatnot?
    Some people don't think Intellectual Property rights are real property rights. Law is bound up with morality. Now you are simply assuming that the Christian's doesn't have any input in this. That is fine, but you have to argue it, not assume it. At all times you have just assumed the Christian is wrong and his moral position is to be ignored.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Some people don't think Intellectual Property rights are real property rights. Law is bound up with morality. Now you are simply assuming that the Christian's doesn't have any input in this. That is fine, but you have to argue it, not assume it. At all times you have just assumed the Christian is wrong and his moral position is to be ignored.
    Again, it has nothing to do with whether Christianity is "wrong" or whatever. The question is whether it is ok for one demographic group to attack another demographic group that did them no harm. It isn't. Period. If the first group is "right" that the second group is immoral or whatever that doesn't change anything.

    It wouldn't be ok for Democrats to go around systematically denying Republicans equal rights would it? Or for right handed people to persecute left handed people? Or vice versa? It doesn't matter who is "right", that just isn't an acceptable way to behave.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Not exactly. That would be a gross oversimplification of what I'm talking about in terms of the social and individual meaning of words like homophobia.
    But you're trying to simplify that meaning yourself too.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    A ‘smear’, as the word is being used in this poll, is to damage someone's reputation by slandering, making false accusations. The way this poll was written Wake clearly presumes that calling someone that is Christian a homophobe is a smear. That is simply not correct, one who calls himself a Christian may or may not be a homophobe. And what other word would one use other than homophobe that is more accurate and not a swear word or the ilk. All the choices in his poll suffer from the presumption that describing a Christian as a homophobe is a smear. All kinds of people are homophobes, maybe most people are. What is most interesting is that many Christians think that they are being singled out as homophobes. Why is that? That is the part I find interesting.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Now, if they start going around lashing out at others and trying to impose their judgments on other people by supporting bans on same sex marriage or by spreading hate speech or whatever, then they are most definitely engaging in bigotry. Doesn't matter what religion they are. Religion isn't some kind of shield that removes a person's responsibility for their actions.
    They don't have a moral obligation to support something they view as wrong. They also don't have a moral obligation to keep their mouths shut just because someone else may be offended.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They don't have a moral obligation to support something they view as wrong. They also don't have a moral obligation to keep their mouths shut just because someone else may be offended.
    Do you think they are within their rights to demand that government impose their personal moral preferences on others?

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Do you think they are within their rights to demand that government impose their personal moral preferences on others?
    Is that what I said?
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Is that what I said?
    No, definitely not. That's why I'm asking.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, definitely not. That's why I'm asking.
    You can take my words at face value.

    edit to add: You seem to be saying that Christians who don't support gay marriage rights are merely bigots. Bigotry is holding to an opinion blindly. A person who believes that a gay lifestyle is wrong or immoral isn't being bigoted, but thinks this based on his/her religious beliefs. That isn't the same thing as bigotry.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You can take my words at face value.
    I don't understand. You haven't said anything either way about that topic...

    You said they could express being offended and that they didn't need to support something they think is wrong. I'm asking a different question- do they have a right to use government to impose their morals on other people in this situation?

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