View Poll Results: If a person smears a Christian as a "homophobe," should that person returh fire?

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  • Yes. If they call you a homophobe you should be able to comment on their morals/etc.

    5 16.67%
  • No, they shouldn't return fire because they deserve it.

    1 3.33%
  • Simply ignore the smears and continue debating.

    3 10.00%
  • How about we show some respect and NOT smear eachother?

    16 53.33%
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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.

    Yeah. Right.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I can interpret what they are implying and the connotations of what they say and how they say it.
    So you're claiming the right to do exactly what you're complaining about them doing to you?
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.

    Not quite.

    Assuming for a moment that it's possible to simply view homosexuality as a sin without all that other stuff. Plenty of Christians (but not all) view it as a sin AND display an irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you're claiming the right to do exactly what you're complaining about them doing to you?
    No, I'm claiming that as I can understand the meanings of connotations of words in that instance, I can too in this one.

    Assuming for a moment that it's possible to simply view homosexuality as a sin without all that other stuff. Plenty of Christians (but not all) view it as a sin AND display an irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals.
    In what sense?

    Not of course that phobia has much to do with contempt or hatred.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.
    I don't think anybody cares what rationalizations somebody has going through their heads when they engage in hate speech. Bigotry is bigotry. I'm sure back in slavery times there were tons of slave owners who told themselves that slavery was in the best interests of the slaves. Doesn't make it any more acceptable.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I don't think anybody cares what rationalizations somebody has going through their heads when they engage in hate speech. Bigotry is bigotry. I'm sure back in slavery times there were tons of slave owners who told themselves that slavery was in the best interests of the slaves. Doesn't make it any more acceptable.
    And such rationalisations for question begging doesn't mean you aren't begging the question with this post.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No, I'm claiming that as I can understand the meanings of connotations of words in that instance, I can too in this one.
    No, it's the same thing. You are claiming you can read their minds and decide what they mean by their words, even when they tell you to your face that's not what they mean.

    In what sense?
    I'm just saying it's not either-or. A Christian may believe gay=sin and not hate gays, or just hate gays--or both.

    And the irony is that some Christians call homosexuality a mental illness - so much for not using psychological terms like "phobia."
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    And such rationalisations for question begging doesn't mean you aren't begging the question with this post.
    What are you talking about? I'm explaining why the "hate the sin, love the sinner" line doesn't hold water.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    I voted no because they deserve it, but obviously none of the options actually make sense. There is no way to know whether it was a valid critique or not without knowing the exact situation. But, out of the options, that one seems like the best because most often when somebody is called a homophobe it is immediately after some expression of bigotry.

    As a side note though, it isn't respectful to tolerate bigotry. Tolerating bigotry is just one small step this side of being a bigot yourself.
    Last edited by teamosil; 01-22-12 at 08:33 PM.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, it's the same thing. You are claiming you can read their minds and decide what they mean by their words, even when they tell you to your face that's not what they mean.
    Not exactly. That would be a gross oversimplification of what I'm talking about in terms of the social and individual meaning of words like homophobia.


    I'm just saying it's not either-or. A Christian may believe gay=sin and not hate gays, or just hate gays--or both.
    I agree, though hatred is not phobia. However in the cut and thrust of public polemics people sometimes, and not without some legitimacy at times, can be quite censorious in their condemnation. I think there is a balance to maintain, but I certainly do not think you should hate gay people or anyone really.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 01-22-12 at 08:53 PM.
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