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    Re: Does evolutionary theory of mating strategies account for the sexual double stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Your opinion is based on just guessing, right?
    Rational observation and of an understanding of the past and present cultural trends

    Are not women in general today, at least those in larger cities and not subject to religous cultural morals more promiscous then in the past?

    Is it not easier for women today to be promiscous then in the past (birth control, careers of their own, instead of being financially dependant on a male)

    The double standard is a cultural aspect based on certain biological traits like jealousy affedt both sexs, but wowen in the past did not have much power to cause the other to face the negative aspect of jealousy. Women tend to suffer more from jealous rages from men (being killed, beaten etc). Men had the power to enforce the cultural aspect of the double standard, women did not. That is changing, and so is the power of the double standard
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    Re: Does evolutionary theory of mating strategies account for the sexual double stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Rational observation and of an understanding of the past and present cultural trends

    Are not women in general today, at least those in larger cities and not subject to religous cultural morals more promiscous then in the past?

    Is it not easier for women today to be promiscous then in the past (birth control, careers of their own, instead of being financially dependant on a male)

    The double standard is a cultural aspect based on certain biological traits like jealousy affedt both sexs, but wowen in the past did not have much power to cause the other to face the negative aspect of jealousy. Women tend to suffer more from jealous rages from men (being killed, beaten etc). Men had the power to enforce the cultural aspect of the double standard, women did not. That is changing, and so is the power of the double standard
    So what your saying is that the male vs female "Horny Ratio" as it is currently...as opposed to say 50 thousand years ago is: Men are digressing and women are progressing in their horniness because of social freedoms that women have acquired over time?

    So the horniness levels in men have historically been much higher because men have been able to strong arm their sexual desires and at the same time oppress women however they wish in other areas of their lives using the same strong arm tactics?

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    Re: Does evolutionary theory of mating strategies account for the sexual double stand

    It certainly makes sense, but I would suspect that the fact that, historically, there has been a power imbalance between men and women is also playing a significant role. Even if we were to assume that men and women both equally valued...chastity - no that's not quite right, what's the opposite of promisicuous - in their partners, it wouldn't be surprising for a cultural bias against female promiscuity to emerge, simply because men have had a greater (or perhaps I should say "more direct") role in the development of society.

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    Re: Does evolutionary theory of mating strategies account for the sexual double stand

    There are sociobiological benefits to sexual prudence, the most obvious being the containment of disease (and not just venereal disease but any disease that is more easily communicable through intimate relations). In primeval human societies, the more promiscuous communities would tend to be less healthy, and more easily dominated by the less promiscuous and more healthy.

    But what is more, human civilization is based upon the deliberate social inhibition of the wanton sex drive. It is upon the primeval social construct of one man to one woman that higher organized human societies were possible. Indeed, this is was the very impetus for the rite of marriage.

    One can imagine the primeval human society before the advent of this social construct: the alpha male would have his pick of the women. The beta males would have to oblige him. If any of the betas objected, they might challenge the alpha, but at the risk of getting beaten to death. Of course, the women would be forced to oblige the alpha male for similar reasons as well.

    But then, humans became especially adept at making tools, including the sort of tools that could be used to smash in the skulls of prey or predator, or even an alpha male when he was looking the other way. Before long, the primeval human society became a murderous rogue's gallery as the equalizing effects of weapons technology overturned the naturally-endowed hierarchy of physical brawn. At this point, the smart society implemented the one woman per man rule in order to keep the peace between men. In other words, this primeval sexual taboo was created by primeval men for primeval men so to keep them from killing each other. The health and well-being of the women were not the central concern. Indeed, women were now recognized as the central cause of civil disruption between men, and therefore the central cause of disruption within the entire clan, and none more so than the promiscuous woman.
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    Re: Does evolutionary theory of mating strategies account for the sexual double stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    So what your saying is that the male vs female "Horny Ratio" as it is currently...as opposed to say 50 thousand years ago is: Men are digressing and women are progressing in their horniness because of social freedoms that women have acquired over time?

    So the horniness levels in men have historically been much higher because men have been able to strong arm their sexual desires and at the same time oppress women however they wish in other areas of their lives using the same strong arm tactics?
    You would notice I never stated anything about men becoming less horny or women becoming more horny. I stated that women today can express thier horniness at the same level as men do and see the same level of effects positive or negative

    Not getting pregnant, not seeing their financial well being threatened to dramatically by cheating

    I am saying that alot of women like sex just as much as men do, but in the past could not engage in it with people because of the negative social/cultural/economic effects that could result,
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    Re: Does evolutionary theory of mating strategies account for the sexual double stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    You would notice I never stated anything about men becoming less horny or women becoming more horny. I stated that women today can express thier horniness at the same level as men do and see the same level of effects positive or negative

    Not getting pregnant, not seeing their financial well being threatened to dramatically by cheating

    I am saying that alot of women like sex just as much as men do, but in the past could not engage in it with people because of the negative social/cultural/economic effects that could result,
    So therefore...no "evolutionary connection to sexual double standards?" Just shifts in social connections?

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    Re: Does evolutionary theory of mating strategies account for the sexual double stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    So therefore...no "evolutionary connection to sexual double standards?" Just shifts in social connections?
    The evolutionary connection would be due to the physical size and power of men in comparison to women, generally seeing men being the dominate sex in the vast majority of societies, even ancient ones. Those who have the power to set the rules also have the power to break them with fewer negative effects (ie being beaten or killed is far more common an event for women then it is for men who cheat)
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    Re: Does evolutionary theory of mating strategies account for the sexual double stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The evolutionary connection would be due to the physical size and power of men in comparison to women, generally seeing men being the dominate sex in the vast majority of societies, even ancient ones. Those who have the power to set the rules also have the power to break them with fewer negative effects (ie being beaten or killed is far more common an event for women then it is for men who cheat)
    In evolution we can't ignore physical, social, and mental affects. Evolution is complicated. It's about adaption. The biological aspects of evolution is but one part in several that effect change. So in that respect, I don't necessarily disagree with the adaption changes that have occurred that has created shifts in sexual behaviors. Men still strong arm, women are still submissive, but yes, its changing.

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