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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by melg89 View Post
    Yeah I don't understand how that would be able to work either.
    I am posing a question ... if it were possible ... would it be good or bad .. we can work out the details of what would have to be done for it to become possible after addressing the first question - what's the point in spending energy on figuring out how to do something, if that something were not valuable?

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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    It is very clear what equal opportunity means, or at least it should be…. Well, just to be clear for this post… by equal opportunity, I mean the following… do you believe that everyone should start life with the same opportunities (this = equal opportunity for the purposes of this post)? Or would this lead to a lack of adequate separation between the rich and the poor, leading to a lack of functionality. For example, if everyone were allowed the same amount of money at birth, the same amount of land, the same amount of education and so on … would this lead to an inadequate number of “worker bees” (the poor) and an overpopulation of possible business owners etc. … ? What do you think?
    I think some were born to lead, and many were born to follow. Starting everyone out with equal resources/opportunities wouldn't change much -- the cream would still rise to the top.
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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    I think some were born to lead, and many were born to follow. Starting everyone out with equal resources/opportunities wouldn't change much -- the cream would still rise to the top.
    Except that things would change ...

    I do not believe that those born into wealth were "born to lead"

    I believe we would see different leaders emerging

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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I voted no to reflect what I see as reality, and not as a *wishful thought*
    I challenge you to consider the possibility that everything in public policy that we know, can be changed

    Thus, I challenge you to challenge every policy that exists

    Wishful thoughts can lead to realities

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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Except that things would change ...

    I do not believe that those born into wealth were "born to lead"

    I believe we would see different leaders emerging
    Except you misunderstood my post. I meant things wouldn't change the outcome for born winners.

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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Except that things would change ...

    I do not believe that those born into wealth were "born to lead"

    I believe we would see different leaders emerging
    I don't think that's what he said?

    I just don't think it's feasible so I can't come up with a "hypothetical answer." IDK one of those things...
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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    What are you talking about?

    I only referred to material things such as money, land and education

    I was never referring to talent, environment etc.

    Are you sure we are talking about the same OP?
    You can't take out the human nature element in any discussion of equality, whether it be equality of opportunity, or equality of outcomes. In the world you describe, humans would have to amount to computers without any will of their own. No matter how equal the opportunity in property and goods, society would be just as it is now. It's not equality that makes us what we are. It's human nature and the many facets of it's manifestation.
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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    Except you misunderstood my post. I meant things wouldn't change the outcome for born winners.
    What does the term "leader" mean to you? Depending on your definition, we may not be in agreement.

    At first I thought you were referring to "financial leaders"

    Then I thought ... maybe you were just referring to leader type personalities

    Which is it?

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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by melg89 View Post
    I don't think that's what he said?

    I just don't think it's feasible so I can't come up with a "hypothetical answer." IDK one of those things...
    Ah.. you are just in doubt? That's OK, many people are in doubt about many things

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    Re: Is equal opportunity (not equal outcome) best for society?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I challenge you to consider the possibility that everything in public policy that we know, can be changed

    Thus, I challenge you to challenge every policy that exists

    Wishful thoughts can lead to realities
    Dreams are all individualized. Creativity is inherent. Reality must exist within the context of its perceivers.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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