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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wow, that's just ridiculous.
    In your opinion, so what? Hehehe.
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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    If every person in the USA had the same per capita net worth as, say, the average Qatar citizen, then sure. Why not? The problem is that we don't. Our country is techically bankrupt, since it's debt... under every standard audit procedure in the country... is basically beyond our ability to repay.

    This isn't just an American problem. Throughout Europe, in countries that have bestowed upon their heavily-taxed citizens both luxuries (huge annual vacations, shortened work weeks, high pay) and necessities (housing subsidies, free medical, subsidized food and utilities), the generous college stipends offered to their citizen students are beginning to erode, because they just can't afford it. Students throughout those countries, who have grown up believing it's their right to be educated at government expense, are angry.

    Bottom line, we already subsidize the education of too many college students and we use the wrong damned demographic to do it. University scholarships are now race-based rather than economically-based, which means the children of rich black and hispanic families will get financial assistance while the children of poor Asian and white families will not. Oh, and let us not forget sports scholarships, where the only consideration is whether or not the kid can punt, dunk or pitch. Don't even get me started on that crap.

    I wish I lived in a country rich enough to provide every child in America a free college education. Unfortunately, I don't. Most people don't. So those who are determined to educate themselves are simply going to have to work for it, they way their parents, grandparents and great-grandparents did.

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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I guess we shouldn't pay attention to these comments.
    Some people have a limited scope in life and don't understand that people can make bank doing all sorts of things.

    More opportunity for us, less for them.
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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    true. The real question is tax payer funded a better way to make sure we get more educated and functioning in soceity than we're doing now.
    We already have about a 25% high school drop-out rate, and we have "free" public education. I wouldn't expect any significant differences if college were taxpayer-funded in full. Those who have the will, find a way. It's their motivation level over the affordability issue. If you're poor, Pell Grants are an option.
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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We already have about a 25% high school drop-out rate, and we have "free" public education.
    But we also have 100% compulsory public education. So of course there are kids who are there who don't want to be, and drop out. That's not true for college. People going to college want to be there.
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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But we also have 100% compulsory public education. So of course there are kids who are there who don't want to be, and drop out. That's not true for college. People going to college want to be there.
    My point is that making college "free" won't make that much difference overall. Those who want a good education will pursue that, and there are many options available. Pell grants, scholarships, student loans, community colleges, vocational schools. The opportunity is there- the motivation is lacking.
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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    an interesting article I just saw on another board that is pertinent to this discussion


    College Majors That Are Useless - Yahoo! Education

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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    an interesting article I just saw on another board that is pertinent to this discussion


    College Majors That Are Useless - Yahoo! Education
    Frankly, if everyone had a college education, it wouldn't be worth much, lol.
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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Frankly, if everyone had a college education, it wouldn't be worth much, lol.
    well compared to the rest of the world it might

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    Re: Should “equal opportunity” mean free college?

    I believe educational funding and vocational funding should be available on a sliding fee scale based on income to students who maintain a decent GPA. I also believe that additional funding should be available to train students in professions that are needed so that students would have a financial motive to train in needed professions. A well-educated pool of workers is key to regaining the US's role as a world leader in research and development in both the sciences and medicine.

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