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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    For the love of zombie Jesus, can we go one election cycle without re-cannonizing Reagan as our patron saint of presidents?
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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    What would Ronald Reagan be doing if he was alive today?

    Scratching at the lid of his coffin.
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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What would Ronald Reagan be doing if he was alive today?

    Scratching at the lid of his coffin.
    What would Ronald Reagan be doing if he was alive today?

    Trying to get Rush Limbaugh to leave his penis alone?
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    What would Ronald Reagan be doing if he was alive today?

    Trying to get Rush Limbaugh to leave his penis alone?
    Don't give up your day job....

    Just sayin'.
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    I really thought it was a winner...
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    So you're arguing with us because you think if he was alive today he wouldn't have the same opinions that he did in the 80's? I think it's safe to say that we are making the claim with the assumption that he kept the same opinion on policies.
    I think its a ridiculous unsafe assumption to believe that Reagan would have accepted the same compromises, taken the same tact policy wise rather than rhetoric wise, and faught the same battles today than he did in the 1980's. Rather then retyping this, I'll just repost what I previously said on it...

    Time period and context play into things. Reagan came into power during a time where full Democratic control of the Congress was the norm, a split congress the rarer exception, and a fully republican controlled congress a thing of myth and legend akin to unicorns Merlin. We were coming out of a huge troubled economic time period and was in the midst of a troubling national defense period iwth regards to the Russians. To speculate that someone like Bachmann would be equally unwilling to compromise then as she is now, or to suggest Reagan would be as likely to compromise now as he was then, is baseless. Is it likely to go extremely the other way? No, to a point people are made up a certain way and always will be. However, 1994 with the Republicans taking the house...a number of years with a fully Republican controlled congress...these things have shifted the way both sides, to a point, view government and compromise. The Democratic Party grasp on Congress, and the house specifically, has been shattered and the notion that either side can gain control is not firmly implanted in minds. Meaning the notion of "we gotta compromise if we ever want to do anything" loses some of its steam and power because there's now a legitimate reason to think they may have a chance to get their side in power and not have to compromise as much. Such an expectation wasn't normal under Reagan.

    1953 was the last time pre-reagan that Democrats didn't control at least one of the houses (Republicans actually had both). Indeed...from 1930 to 1980, a fifty year stretch leading up to Reagan, Republicans had control of a house of congress only 3 times (all three times, they held both). 1931, 1947, and 1953. From 1981 on, things have shifted. It began during Reagan's time, when Republicans at least kept one portion of Congress (The Senate) for 6 years in the 80's. It shifted again in 1995 when Republicans gained controll of both houses for the first time since 1953. Since then, 14 of of the 16 years Republicans have had control of at least one house, having full control one more time during that period.

    50 years leading into Reagan, Republicans had control of at least one house 3 times
    30 years since Reagan, Republicans have had control of at least one house 11 times

    Reagan existed in a different era, where politics had a little bit of a different mentality. Attempting to place his record in the modern day and acting like they could in any way be an equivilent is misleading at best, ridiculous at worst. Yes, Reagan may...at best...look moderate today if we took his policies, out of context, and placed them in the modern day. Though to even say that, and even then it'd be debatable, we'd also need to just take GENERIC statements of his policies. IE, someone stating to reduce the Top Tax Bracket by 60% today would HARDLY be someone likely called a "moderate" and would likely be called a "radical right winger" by many. That's part of the issue with ignoring the context of WHEN Reagan was President.
    Would you find it inaccurate to say that in the present day Republican party it would be very easy to portray Reagan as someone that isn't conservative if he kept the exact same policy that he had when he was president?
    I would say its not inaccurate to say that for SOME in the present day Republican Party it would be relatively easy to portray Reagan as someone who was a moderate or RINO if he enacted the exact same policy as when he was President.

    I also would say its not inaccurate to suggest that SOME in the present day Left Leaning ideological camp it would be relatively easy for them to portray Reagan as someone who was a crazy extreme right-winger if he enacted the exact same policies as when he was President.

    Then again, I'd think both statements would be rather ridiculous, short sited, and pointless to say outside of those trying to be hyper partisan because they're dealing with an amazingly unrealistic and dishonest hypothetical (not even using the "he's dead" part as the unrealistic part).

    It would not be inaccurate to suggest some people could state George Washington was a freedom hating racist bigot who shoved his religion down poeples throats and whose brash attitude spoiled the worlds opinion of us if he behaved, stated, and supported the same policy today as he did then. It would also be rather ridiculous to even suggest that'd automatically be the case.

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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Again, at worst a baseless factually inaccurate retarded claim and at best a highly distorted, dishonest, hyper partisan claim. Take your pick.
    Again...sorry Zyph...but neither you nor I can speculate as to what/how Reagan would govern today. The only thing that we can do is look at what he did while he was in office. Taking his record into account and comparing it to those in control of the GOP today, it is clear that Reagan would be considered an outcast and would not be accepted by the vast majority of those in control of the Republican party today.
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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Zombie TR would be better than the real thing IMHO.

    The coolness factor would go up to 11.
    Why don't you just make ten the coolest and make ten be the top number and make that a little cooler?

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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Again...sorry Zyph...but neither you nor I can speculate as to what/how Reagan would govern today.
    Incorrect. Both you and I can speculate, which we were both doing. Neither of us can absolutely know.

    The only thing that we can do is look at what he did while he was in office.
    Not at all. We can look at what he did in office, we can look at why he did what he did in office, we can look at what his rhetoric and view points was during the time he was running for and in office.

    Taking his record into account and comparing it to those in control of the GOP today, it is clear that Reagan would be considered an outcast and would not be accepted by the vast majority of those in control of the Republican party today.
    Which again, is an ignorant and ridiculous...not to mention pointless...statement to make because you're judging Reagan's actions by the context of the modern day and assuming the two time periods are comparable. At best you can say that Reagan's ACTIONS, if done today, would be viewed as "liberal" by some conservatives. That's ENTIRELY different than saying Reagan today would be considered a liberal.

    Hey, lets use Disneydude logic.

    Democrats would never support George Washington. They'd call him an extreme right winger that is an idiot bafoon. If we took what he said and what he did back then and applied it today he's a war mongering, bigoted, evangelical regressive monster.

    Also, did you know ,that according to Disneydude logic we would have to say that Thomas Jefferson would be viewed as an idiotic and backwards dolt by Democrats today. I mean, he'd look at a computer and be horribly confused. And don't get us started with him having to talk on television or deal with a blackberry.

    So there we have it...logic according to Disneydude. Reagan would be a liberal today, Washington would be a horrible extremist right winger that must never touch office, and Thomas Jefferson is a bumbling fool.

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    Re: If Reagan were running...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    At best you can say that Reagan's ACTIONS, if done today, would be viewed as "liberal" by some conservatives. That's ENTIRELY different than saying Reagan today
    That is EXACTLY what we are doing. When you look at the context of a person....you look at their actions. Based on his record and his actions in office, most of those in charge of the GOP today would view him as a "liberal" by their standards. There would be no place for Reagan in todays GOP when you look at what he did as President when he was in office.

    You are correct Zyph...that is exactly what I am saying. Now you can speculate that Reagan would be different today than he would have been in the 80''s, but that is nothing but speculation. I am making a comparison, not based on speculation, but on what he ACTUALLY did.
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