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    Re: Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum?

    I would pick the lesser of the conservative evils.......Obama.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    From a UK perspective, I find it kinda worrying that this is the best the Republicans can muster. Does politics in the US not attract anyone young and dynamic?
    Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal...

    all of whom elected not to run for President.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal...

    all of whom elected not to run for President.
    Because they see the direction the wind is blowing.

    There are many zealots on the right and left that think that Obama will win easily, or be defeated easily but nothing could be further from the truth.

    Defeating an incumbent is no easy task, and while it's true that Obama faces a tough battle given the relative state of the economy, people like Paul Ryan, Rubio and Christie are gonna wait it out til 2016 so they don't have to face an incumbent, it's probably as simple as that. And the longer this primary race goes on, the harder it's gonna get for Romney or Gingrich to appeal to the moderates and independents.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Because they see the direction the wind is blowing.
    nah, of the ones I mentioned (and I didn't mention, but could have included Mitch Daniels), all had good reasons not for running. Ryan has young kids and wants to be a unifying point for Republicans rather than a dividing one. Jindal and Christie hadn't been reelected. Marco Rubio is 2 years into his first Senate term. The problem isn't that we have no young dynamic conservatives - it's that 2006 and 2008 means they are all too young, in terms of their political career.

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    If Romney holds off the warrior of the right, the pick for VP will be Rubio and he will take it. Either way the November election turns out, he is then in the drivers seat to be the future nominee after Romney - win or lose.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Because they see the direction the wind is blowing.

    There are many zealots on the right and left that think that Obama will win easily, or be defeated easily but nothing could be further from the truth.

    Defeating an incumbent is no easy task, and while it's true that Obama faces a tough battle given the relative state of the economy, people like Paul Ryan, Rubio and Christie are gonna wait it out til 2016 so they don't have to face an incumbent, it's probably as simple as that. And the longer this primary race goes on, the harder it's gonna get for Romney or Gingrich to appeal to the moderates and independents.
    Your last sentence is what defines it for me. And looks symptomatic of the GOP candidates as whole, they have all been around the block a few times and come with a lot of baggage (some of course might say experience).

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nah, of the ones I mentioned (and I didn't mention, but could have included Mitch Daniels), all had good reasons not for running. Ryan has young kids and wants to be a unifying point for Republicans rather than a dividing one. Jindal and Christie hadn't been reelected. Marco Rubio is 2 years into his first Senate term. The problem isn't that we have no young dynamic conservatives - it's that 2006 and 2008 means they are all too young, in terms of their political career.
    Then you have no 'young and dynamic' candidates, that's my point. I'm not sure on the age of those mentioned but I'm a believer in 'if you're good enough, you're old enough'

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    Re: Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal...

    all of whom elected not to run for President.
    Yes, all of them, but looks like 2012 is not their time, at least not for the Presidency.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Your last sentence is what defines it for me. And looks symptomatic of the GOP candidates as whole, they have all been around the block a few times and come with a lot of baggage (some of course might say experience).

    Then you have no 'young and dynamic' candidates, that's my point. I'm not sure on the age of those mentioned but I'm a believer in 'if you're good enough, you're old enough'

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    Depends on how you define "young" ("dynamic" is ageless). According to Wiki, the median Presidential age is just about 55. Kennedy was the youngest elected President while the oldest was Reagan at 69. This is a minor reason I wouldn't consider voting for Ron Paul--he will be 78 in August. By anybody's definition, 78 is "up there."

    Not sure I can agree with you that if you're good enough, you're old enough. Although I can see a 20-something being elected to Congress and beginning his/her career there, I don't see a 20-something serving as President.

    List of Presidents of the United States by age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Depends on how you define "young" ("dynamic" is ageless). According to Wiki, the median Presidential age is just about 55. Kennedy was the youngest elected President while the oldest was Reagan at 69. This is a minor reason I wouldn't consider voting for Ron Paul--he will be 78 in August. By anybody's definition, 78 is "up there."
    I don't want to be accused of being ageist but I'm afraid i do not correlate persons in the later years of their careers as, on the whole, with being particularly dynamic. The reason i make this point, is the field of candidates from the Republicans comes across as 'tired', 'stale' and lacking in anything that looks remotely as 'fresh'. May that is the appeal?

    Not sure I can agree with you that if you're good enough, you're old enough. Although I can see a 20-something being elected to Congress and beginning his/her career there, I don't see a 20-something serving as President.
    20 may be pushing it, true. But, as has happened in the UK, we have recently more of a mix in terms of age (although less in terms of class/educational backgrounds). David Cameron was 43 when he came to power. It just looks from afar the US GOP are struggling to connect, and this may play some part in that disconnect?

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    Re: Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Because they see the direction the wind is blowing.

    There are many zealots on the right and left that think that Obama will win easily, or be defeated easily but nothing could be further from the truth.

    Defeating an incumbent is no easy task, and while it's true that Obama faces a tough battle given the relative state of the economy, people like Paul Ryan, Rubio and Christie are gonna wait it out til 2016 so they don't have to face an incumbent, it's probably as simple as that. And the longer this primary race goes on, the harder it's gonna get for Romney or Gingrich to appeal to the moderates and independents.
    I disagree. When you look at the history of the GOP, they always stick with the candidate who has been on the ballot the last few elections (Romney and this year's election notwithstanding, and still, that's hardly a precedent that's been set). I think the smart thing to do would have been what Jon Huntsman did: get on the ballot, stick around long enough to get a modest amount of attention, then drop out. I hope that Huntsman will become the go-to-guy for the next GOP candidate for President, regardless of the outcome of this election, because he's a like better version of Romney.

    Though, I do think it's better that Christie wasn't in this race, he and Huntsman would've been fighting for position as the best person to actually be President. I don't know too much about Rubio, but I remember talk about Jindal and I know Ryan a bit, but I think if they're going to be running for Pres, it's very far off.

    So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, the best thing to do (except this year because of Huntsman) was to start building some name recognition, and start getting their names on a national level.
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