If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

Bob Blaylock said:

I wonder if anyone else participating in this thread actually believes that someone who is this spectacularly ignorant about firearms in general, could actually have a valid Class III license, and be in legal possession of any class III weapons.

I think someone is not being very truthful with us.

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His arguments regarding rape and abortion, as well as Santorum's wife's abortion, etc, bolster this claim.

joko104 said:

Again, no article of the constitutions says you have a right to own apples and cars. It only describes the steps of the government to take those away if you already have them.

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In the case of arms, no it doesn't. What is says is that government cannot take them away. “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” There's nothing in there setting up any circumstances under which that right may be infringed; just a simple statement that it may not. Period.

Wake said:

Bob Blaylock said:

I wonder if anyone else participating in this thread actually believes that someone who is this spectacularly ignorant about firearms in general, could actually have a valid Class III license, and be in legal possession of any class III weapons.

I think someone is not being very truthful with us.

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His arguments regarding rape and abortion, as well as Santorum's wife's abortion, etc, bolster this claim.

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I don't know what any of that has to do with this argument, but I am calling solid digestive waste from a male bovine on his claim to have a Class III license, or any legally-possessed Class III weapons.

I believe that the Second Amendment fully protects every free American's right to own such weapons, but our government does not obey this Amendment, to the degree that it makes it very, very difficult to get that license. I simply do not believe that such a license would be granted to someone who obviously knows as little as he does about firearms; nor do I believe that one would care enough to go to the troubles involved in obtaining such a license without, in the course of doing so, learning a lot more about firearms than he knows.

It's a little bit like someone claiming to have a driver's license, but on further questioning, revealing that he doesn't know the difference between an automobile and a pair of roller skates.

grip said:

Any Airgun or sling could be lethal. People would improvise to offset any 2nd banning.

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Firearms are not the only kind of arms.If the second amendment is removed then you would not have the right to keep and bear those as well.Arms are weaponry.

Justice For All said:

Personally if this happened I wouldn't consider it America anymore, so I'd probably go with violent revolution.

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Well - issues would arrise when, on day one, a bill to amend the consitution was introduced.

That individual and said supporters would be railroaded so fast it would make your head spin, the backlash would be severe.

If it managed to make it to committee and out on the floor for a vote all those who remotely spoke in favor would be railroaded. . . there's be a streak of mischief at the least and especially countless stall tactics.

. . . I doubt it would make it far enough to have a vote.

Aunt Spiker said:

Well - issues would arrise when, on day one, a bill to amend the consitution was introduced.

That individual and said supporters would be railroaded so fast it would make your head spin, the backlash would be severe.

If it managed to make it to committee and out on the floor for a vote all those who remotely spoke in favor would be railroaded. . . there's be a streak of mischief at the least and especially countless stall tactics.

. . . I doubt it would make it far enough to have a vote.

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Considering the fact we have an extremely low approval rate of our elected officials and a high incumbent reelection rate I do not think our elected officials have anything to fear.

This thread has become laughable.

Let's try this again.

To those who claim the 2nd Amendment exists to give citizens an ability to challenge the US government if it became tyrannical? That "right to bear arms" was taken away before your parents were born.

Specifically, your view of 2nd amendment purpose and rights was taken away when it no longer was legal for citizens to own the same weapons the government possesses. You can't even own a functional Civil War era cannon or gatling gun and your pistols and rifles don't offer 10% more firepower than 100 years ago. You can't own grenades, cannons, bombs, machine guns, RPGs - let alone tanks, helicopters, aircraft or any other military vehicles with functioning military grade munitions systems. Even Bowie knifes are technically illegal and arrestable.

You're clinging to your muskets and cowboy guns declaring you will keep those if you ever have to use them to defy the edicts of the government. What a joke.

The fury and insults towards me is because what I write is not only obvious, put also makes it clear that people who claim they would go to armed revolution if the government tried to take away their 2nd amendment rights are just blowhards who likely would be the first to run and hide if trouble comes their way. The government HAS taken away your right to own arms capable of defying the government taking away your 2nd amendment rights as you see it. So, what are you going to do about it?

PS, you don't have to be smart to have a Class III license or weapons. Smartness has nothing to do with it. If they read any of your messages they not only would never approve you for one, they'd put you on the no-fly list. :lamo

jamesrage said:

Considering the fact we have an extremely low approval rate of our elected officials and a high incumbent reelection rate I do not think our elected officials have anything to fear.

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I agree with every thought of that statement.

jamesrage said:

Considering the fact we have an extremely low approval rate of our elected officials and a high incumbent reelection rate I do not think our elected officials have anything to fear.

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Voters seem to believe that all politicians are evil incompetent corrupt liars except for the ones they voted for__Imagine that!

Actually obtaining an FFL / Class 3 or more accurately Class 3 SOT license is simplistic. Not so for many of the "Destructive Devices" themselves however. Without a police chief signing off your chances are nil, other recommendations/endorsers advisable and even then it may not walk. There are numerous requirements such as a vault, agreeing to 24/7 inspection, 2-3 month background check, interview and it all finally at the BATF(E)'s discretion.

I inherited a significant collection of firearms, piles munitions - much of which is "pre-ban" in nature and military collectables from a father I never met as his own known living relative. A state's attorney took care of all paperwork and legalisms along the way. It was no real challenge. Just let the lawyer do her work, sign where she said sign and put in the necessary security setup and storage.

joko104 said:

That doesn't work because they were taken out with superior firepower - for the most part specifically OUR MILITARY firepower. It wasn't revolutionaries and citizens with AK47s that make the difference. It was our military air superiority.

The only revolution that could possibly succeed in this country would be if it had overwhelming military support in pro-active ways. Either way, private citizens' AR15s would add up to irrelevancy in that fight. And a military coop would not see the military handing out weapons to citizens, but taking them away. A military take-over rarely brings enhanced civil rights.

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If you make it a death sentence for a politician to engage in tyranny, you don't need to beat an army

joko104 said:

Put a large steel ballbearing into a competition grade paint ball gun and you got some damage coming at close range.
Crossbows are still exceptionally lethal. Quiet too.

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actually crossbows are rather noisy compared to suppressed weapons. bulky and hard to shoot from a concealed position and the ballistics are inferior to a 22 caliber rifle. a rather piss-poor offensive weapons against humans compared to stuff like PCP air rifles, small bore rifles etc

TurtleDude said:

If you make it a death sentence for a politician to engage in tyranny, you don't need to beat an army

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Are you talking about murdering people who do not agree with you?

haymarket said:

Are you talking about murdering people who do not agree with you?

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No, I am talking about using firearms to overcome a tyrannical government that rapes and pillages its own citizenry. And I think you already know that so I wonder how you could possibly utter such a question honestly?

TurtleDude said:

No, I am talking about using firearms to overcome a tyrannical government that rapes and pillages its own citizenry. And I think you already know that so I wonder how you could possibly utter such a question honestly?

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So its gone from violent revolution for abolishing or violating the 2nd amendment to "rapes and pillages its own citizenry" that you'll stop with your 308?

TurtleDude said:

actually crossbows are rather noisy compared to suppressed weapons. bulky and hard to shoot from a concealed position and the ballistics are inferior to a 22 caliber rifle. a rather piss-poor offensive weapons against humans compared to stuff like PCP air rifles, small bore rifles etc

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How many supressed weapons do you have? License for those is significantly more difficult than for a full auto, though suppressors not the difficult to make permanently and definitely not for a single shot. The topic was non-firearms alternatives.

joko104 said:

How many supressed weapons do you have? License for those is significantly more difficult than for a full auto, though suppressors not the difficult to make permanently and definitely not for a single shot. The topic was non-firearms alternatives.

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None silenced and no class three full autos

, they aren't worth the money and since I have easy access to them I never felt the need to pay that sort of money-for example an UZI is worth about 500 dollars yet a full auto one sells for 10K. Having been counsel to a Title II manufacturer (browning HMG, vickers MGs etc) I know the law inside and out. and its not harder to buy suppressors here in ohio though some local LEO's won't sign off on them causing people to go the corporate route but in my county they are pretty easy to get and several local gunshops deal in them

and if the SHTF they are rather easy to make

joko104 said:

So its gone from violent revolution for abolishing or violating the 2nd amendment to "rapes and pillages its own citizenry" that you'll stop with your 308?

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If a politician instigates a fascist attack on the american people it seems to me the most efficient thing to do is for 50 million armed patriots to go after him rather than do like Clint Eastwood did with the Panzer in Kelly's Heroes.

TurtleDude said:

If you make it a death sentence for a politician to engage in tyranny, you don't need to beat an army

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Unless I'm mistaken the crime would be treason rather than tyranny, because a politician would have to violate the constitution, betray their nation and usurp the rights of the people in order to enter into tyranny.

Capital Punishment would definately be an effective deterrent, providing said politician wasn't suicidal or stark raving mad.

All in favor say aye___AYE! :minigavel

haymarket said:

Are you talking about murdering people who do not agree with you?

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History has shown us that the least tolerant of dissention are by far the communists.

100 million murdered in the name of equality and social justice__And this was after the revolutions.

I'll play a hypothetical here to the hypothetical: p = politician C = Citizen(no, the capital lettering is not an accident)

P - We need to abolish the second amendment.
C - Why?
P - For your safety.
C - What about my safety from criminals
P - Irrelevant
P - Now that we've taken care of the gun problem, on to bigger things.......
C - Such as?
P - Well, we are going green now, your television is too big, your car uses too much fuel, and your carbon footprint is too large.
C - But I like my TV, my car accomplishes my needs, and I don't agree with the movement.
P - Irrelevant. Now about your diet, you eat too much. We are engaging in a system of accountability, you are to be provided one serving of meat a week, seven servings of greens, no trans fats, and we are banning fast food.
C - That doesn't fit my diet.
P - Too bad.
C - Well, I'll vote you out.
P - Well, see, we've been having some problems implementing things. Something about a general discontent, too much protest. We've decided to declare martial law and suspend elections indefinitely so that we can establish civil control
C - You can't do that, the constitution says.....
P - About that, the second was easy enough to get rid of, now we have the guns. In fact I think you are talking a little too much. What was your name again? Noted, we will have "constituent services" out to your house at the next earliest opportunity to tune you u......er......I mean address your concerns. Have a nice day. Speaking of nice, that lot of land you have is kind of large don't you think, I could probably fit about four "disadvantaged" families in this back area right here, we'll have the paperwork done on that. See you soon.

The point of this is to provide a hypothetical that actually has happened many times in the 20th century alone. It all started with disarming the populace, and then the rest was pretty much set.

TurtleDude said:

actually crossbows are rather noisy compared to suppressed weapons. bulky and hard to shoot from a concealed position and the ballistics are inferior to a 22 caliber rifle. a rather piss-poor offensive weapons against humans compared to stuff like PCP air rifles, small bore rifles etc

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Oh-pooh, Turtledude__I don't want no silly little air-rifle or crossbow__I'm a 21st century material girl.

I wanna big 45 with lotsa bullets and a bottega veneta handbag to hide it in and some gucci stilettos__Whoa! Git me Baby!

(omg im so sorry, I dont know what got into me__how embarrassing) :bag:

Empirica said:

Oh-pooh, Turtledude__I don't want no silly little air-rifle or crossbow__I'm a 21st century material girl.

I wanna big 45 with lotsa bullets and a bottega veneta handbag to hide it in and some gucci stilettos__Whoa! Git me Baby!

(omg im so sorry, I dont know what got into me__how embarrassing) :bag:

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There's this little thing you can buy called a holster...

Ahhh I would wait and see. If I saw no choice in the end, violent revolution. Cold dead fingers and all that.

Blackdog said:

Ahhh I would wait and see. If I saw no choice in the end, violent revolution. Cold dead fingers and all that.

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Good, you guys could do the heavy lifting while us lazy liberals just stay on our couches.

StillBallin75 said:

Good, you guys could do the heavy lifting while us lazy liberals just stay on our couches.

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Not so fast SB, you are too level headed to let things just slip. You're with the rest of us if the SHTF, if you need we'll lend you a firearm.