View Poll Results: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

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  • Join a violent revolution

    25 28.09%
  • Start a National Petition to repeal the act

    21 23.60%
  • Move out the Country

    3 3.37%
  • Celebrate

    5 5.62%
  • Go on with my life and comply with the new law

    19 21.35%
  • Other - state opinion below

    16 17.98%
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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As I thought. None of these efforts you hold up as a worst case scenario were in fact a worst case scenario.
    I never held them up as a worst case scenario. I held them up as very bad locations for private gun owners that would BECOME worst case scenarios the moment they are allowed to.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So in places like Boston - no private citizen is permitted to have a firearm? Is that what you are contending?
    I am contending that the issuing agency for Firearms permits in Boston will not issue such permits to residents of the City. In Massachusetts you have a STATE permit that is issued by CITY/TOWN police departments. This means that depending on where you live in the state, the requirements to get a license may vary dramatically. Massachusetts is a MAY-ISSUE state. There is a set of disqualifying factors set up by the state and then the local police chiefs may ADD to that as they see fit. In the three MAJOR cities in Massachusetts, you can get a pepper-spray license and POSSIBLY a license that allows you to possess (not own) a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes. Unless you are "connected" you will not get a license that allows you to purchase or own a firearm, nevermind carry one. However, since it is a STATE permit, those of us who live in less restrictive areas and can get Class A LTC's are allowed to carry in those Cities.

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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    Personally if this happened I wouldn't consider it America anymore, so I'd probably go with violent revolution.
    I wouldn't do anything but make sure my passport is up to date so I could leave when the gun lovers lose their ****.

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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    .... I'd tell America that we should sit down and talk about this like sensible adults. America can't do whatever she wants. You know, because America is not even 250 years old yet. She can't do as she please. First she bans guns, then what? She'll start smoking weed, hanging out with North Korea and as we all know, it's all down hill from there. No, America can't do whatever she wants so we'll just all have an intervention if she ever decides to just up and ban the 2nd amendment.
    They're not allowed to smoke weed in North Korea; they don't get anything which could result in fun there.
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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    A ban of the right to bear arms in the USA will never happen. The only way to do it legally would be to repeal the Second Amendment. You would get ZERO support for that in Congress, and even if we somehow elected a Congress nuts enough to commit political suicide, an amendment has to be ratified by three quarters of the state legislatures. No way that's happening.

    Even if somehow it did, I would expect the ban to be even less effective than prohibition.

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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    A ban of the right to bear arms in the USA will never happen. The only way to do it legally would be to repeal the Second Amendment. You would get ZERO support for that in Congress, and even if we somehow elected a Congress nuts enough to commit political suicide, an amendment has to be ratified by three quarters of the state legislatures. No way that's happening.

    Even if somehow it did, I would expect the ban to be even less effective than prohibition.
    It wouldn't just be political suicide, they would be messing up their underwear every time a car backfired. As dumb as our politicians are, I don't think they are THAT stupid.
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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    I voted other. I would be ready to revolt, but as was pointed out if I am a "one man army" that would be me basically throwing my life away. This really is a situational response based on a hypothetical that probably won't happen. Then again the anti-second activists are annoyingly persistant even though they tend to be absolutely uninformed.
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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Same as what I did today. Go to work. I would LOVE to see the Federal government try to enforce the repealing of the 2nd Amendment. Probably cause a coup.
    Same here. But this hypothetical is not really likely to happen in our lifetime, or our children's lifetime, or their children's, if ever. We have a rather weird love of guns in this country, and no one who voted to ban them would be in office next election. Politicians know this.

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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It wouldn't just be political suicide, they would be messing up their underwear every time a car backfired. As dumb as our politicians are, I don't think they are THAT stupid.
    Oh, it would definitely be political suicide. They would so be thrown out of office at the next opportunity! However, you're probably right that it would be literal suicide too. Congress has done a lot of dumb things, but they're almost always self-serving things. There's no way repealing the 2nd even remotely serves the interest of any American politician.

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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    what's more likely to happen is a couple more Obama or the next dem's supreme court justices replacing say Scalia and Kennedy (both are getting up there) and finding the same way QuotaMayor or Breyer did. that would kill the election chances of the next dem candidate's election chances but the damage would be done. and if someone were to take out the justices who voted that way, the public might support unconstitutional restrictions on weapons

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    Re: If America banned the Second Ammendment tomorrow what would you do?

    We The Governed are faced with two problems which are the result of ignorance, denial and fear.

    (1) At some point We The People and the Federal Government are going to have to come to terms with the ever increasing violations of The Constitution.

    (2) Many of the state governments have a loophole in their individual constitutions that make it arguably possible for citizens to democraticly vote their inalienable rights out the door.

    It is not only our Second Amendment that is in jeapordy, but all our freedoms__It's not that our government is evil, it is simply doing what all governments inevitably do__Expand and grow more powerful with time.

    Inalienable vs Unalienable__Please allow me to explain;

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Declaration of Independence, 2nd para.

    "Jefferson's original draft of this phrase in the Declaration of Independence was written: "We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable; that all men are created equal and independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    Members of the Declaration committee of the Continental Congress that had been selected to write the document included Benjamin Franklin and John Adams who had different beliefs. The word "inalienable" was changed to "unalienable" and read: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

    The above two paragraphs come from Mary Mostert in an article she wrote on January 11, 2006 "Unalienable vs. inalienable rights". She explains the change; as Thomas Jefferson reflected a Deist philosophy and did not believe in a loving and caring Heavenly Father vs. the 18th century version of "intelligent design" reflected by Franklin and Adams.

    "Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred."

    Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, pg. 1523

    "You cannot surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the creator to the individual and cannot under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individual's have unalienable rights"

    "Inalienable rights: Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights." Morrison v. State, Mo. App. 252 S.W. 2d 97, 101

    "You can surrender, sell or transfer inalienable rights if you consent either actually or constructively. Inalienable rights are not inherent in man and can be alienated by government. Persons have inalienable rights. Most state constitutions recognize only inalienable rights."

    "It has been well said, by one of the ablest judges of the age, that a "constitution is not to receive a technical construction, like a common law instrument or a stature. It is to be interpreted so as to carry out the great principles of the government, not to defeat them." Per Gibson, C.J. in Commonwealth v. Clark, 7 Watts & S. (Pa.), 133. Butler V. Com. of Pennsylvania, 51 U.S. 402 (1850)

    "The very highest duty of the States, when they entered into the Union under the Constitution, was to protect all persons within their boundaries in the enjoyment of these "unalienable rights with which they were endowed by their Creator.", U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

    "....The first ten amendments to the Constitution, adopted as they were soon after the adoption of the Constitution, are in the nature of a bill of rights, and were adopted in order to quiet the apprehension of many, that without some such declaration of rights the government would assume, and might be held to possess, the power to trespass upon those rights of persons and property which by the Declaration of Independence were affirmed to be unalienable rights. United States v. Twin City Power Co., 350 U.S. 222 (1956)"

    Above quotes from Unalienable Rights vs Inalienable Rights
    Unalienable Rights New
    Sadly, very few americans today know from whence we came because rather than read for themselves, they believe the interpretations of The Talking Heads who have an agenda other than truth.

    As the delegates left the building, a Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got?

    With no hesitation, Franklin replied, “A republic, if you can keep it.” Not a democracy, not a democratic republic. But “a republic, if you can keep it.”

    Back in the 18th and 19th centuries, every American who could read and write (and probably most of those who couldn’t), knew we were a republic. The campaign to brainwash us into believing we were a democracy didn’t begin until 100 years ago. Today, if you take a poll of high school or college students, the overwhelming majority will tell you that we are a democracy.

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    In Federalist No. 10, James Madison, often referred to as “the father of the Constitution,” had this to say:

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    “A Republic—If You Can Keep*It” : Personal Liberty Digest™
    I would suggest you begin with the The Federalist Papers:
    Federalist Papers In Modern Language, The: Indexed for Today's Political Issues, (0936783214), Mary E Webster, Textbooks - Barnes & Noble

    It is not only the Second Amendment that is in jeapordy, but all freedoms__It's not that government is evil, it is simply doing what all governments inevitably do__Expand and seek more power.

    The size of government has a direct affect on the lives of the governed__As government increases, individual liberty decreases__It is absolute.

    The United States is presently 15 trillion dollars in debt as government is busting at the seems and still yet seeks to grow__It can't help itself__It is the nature of the beast.

    There is but one solution__ Ignore the media sweethearts and elect people who will strip government of all powers not delegated to it by the constitution.

    As long as this criteria is met, we shouldn't care if the candidate's IQ is average at best, ugly as sin, wearing rinkled clothes, stutters when they talk and has never set foot in Washington DC.
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