Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

MaddieGreenwell said:

It's pathetic that two people that love each other can't marry.

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I know, right? Just because one of them is already married doesn't mean they should be stopped from taking another husband/wife. Equality shouldn't have to wait.

Objective-J said:

well I wouldnt say it doesnt matter but the part I dont get is that their opinion wont have to change!!!!

If it becomes legal today they can still think its wrong tomorrow THATS whats great about our country. But right now they want to force thier opinions on others and thats NOT what america is about.

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But it doesn't matter for exactly the reason you said after. They can think what they want (they being Christians or anyone else who disagrees with homosexuality) but at the end of the day they shouldn't be able to push that belief down everyone's throat. Who the hell are they to tell us who we can and can't marry (we being Americans). It's wrong and it shouldn't be allowed.

I was going to re write this a little better but screw it- you all get my point lol.

Objective-J said:

Maybe its the way of the least resistance but meanwhile people are being discriminated against and not sharing equal rights.

No thanks, Im for the supreme court ridding our country of discrimination and giving equal gay rights.

Currently you cant fire a person for being gay right? isnt that because they are a protected class and cant be discriminated against?

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We do need to stop discriminating against these people. We should end elective abortions immediately :mrgreen: (sorry, I couldn't resist).

As it is now, states have a right to define marriage in their constitutions. They are the ones issuing the marriage certificates. The US Constitution doesn't specifically lay out that homosexuals are protected under the EPC solely on the basis of their sexuality. I think it's wrong that two homosexuals can't get married, that they are denied the right to visit their loved one in the hospital and that they can't legally be a marital partner. However, I think it would be wrong to trample on states rights and force them to legalize gay marriage based on a Constitutional ruling that is fueled by judge bias and not by the letters of the law. The states need to ratify the Constitution to extend the rights of marriage to homosexual couples. We don't need to violated states rights in the present by means that are not legally sound.

melg89 said:

Hopefully sometime soon. I think its absolutely ridiculous that it isn't already. I don't care what anyone says- your personal opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter. Point blank.

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I thought SSM was about sex discrimination, not sexuality; the whole "a man can marry a woman but a woman can not marry a woman therefore it's discrimination" shtick. I'm confused.

melg89 said:

But it doesn't matter for exactly the reason you said after. They can think what they want (they being Christians or anyone else who disagrees with homosexuality) but at the end of the day they shouldn't be able to push that belief down everyone's throat. Who the hell are they to tell us who we can and can't marry (we being Americans). It's wrong and it shouldn't be allowed.

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I guess thats one way of saying it and I agree but I guess my point was the majority of people always matter. It was more of a respecting other american thing I was getting at.

But yes I agree in general

Jerry said:

I thought SSM was about sex discrimination, not sexuality; the whole "a man can marry a woman but a woman can not marry a woman therefore it's discrimination" shtick. I'm confused.

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must you lol
you'll probably get some bites in this thread with the new posters around

melg89 said:

But it doesn't matter for exactly the reason you said after. They can think what they want (they being Christians or anyone else who disagrees with homosexuality) but at the end of the day they shouldn't be able to push that belief down everyone's throat. Who the hell are they to tell us who we can and can't marry (we being Americans). It's wrong and it shouldn't be allowed.

I was going to re write this a little better but screw it- you all get my point lol.

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I just love it when you talk dirty

Jerry said:

I just love it when you talk dirty

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Judging by your posts in the sex forum about women in the military, I bet you do. :lol:

I would say 5-10. closer to 10.

I think it's going to take decades, as various court rulings are bandied back and forth in the various states, and constitutional challenges on the various cases work their way through to the Supreme Court. But I do agree that ultimately like abortion before it, the issue will be resolved by judicial fiat at one fell swoop at the federal level in favor of same sex marriage.

It already is. It's just a matter of preventing the states from infringing on a right that they have no authority to interfere with in the first place.

Sooner rather than later hopefully! Have you all taken a look around you recently? The world is full of idiots and anything thats might slow our population growing im all for, I mean people are buying snuggies and shake-weights for f*** sake.

ChuckBerry said:

I think it's going to take decades, as various court rulings are bandied back and forth in the various states, and constitutional challenges on the various cases work their way through to the Supreme Court. But I do agree that ultimately like abortion before it, the issue will be resolved by judicial fiat at one fell swoop at the federal level in favor of same sex marriage.

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decades? really?

how many? I see no reason for decades, hell in 2 decades I wouldnt be shocked to see support grow to 80+%

Acceptance of marijuana is high (lol) but its still not legal. Acceptance was not the OP topic, rather it was legality.

ChuckBerry said:

Acceptance of marijuana is high (lol) but its still not legal. Acceptance was not the OP topic, rather it was legality.

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LMAO well thats true but thats not a parallel at all

one can be made legal by the supreme court on the bases of discrimination and equal rights and thats what all that are for it think so also, its a touch different than weed.

You still didnt answer how many decades.

I just want whatever is politically correct.

Objective-J said:

This isnt about whether you support it or are for same sex marriage or think its ok. What I am asking is how long do you think it will be until american politics makes it legal.

A while ago I thought I wouldn't see it in my life time but my daughter would. But now with some bigotry dying every day and people fighting for equal rights for all americans and america always slowing righting its wrongs, ridding itself of discrimination my pick is 10 years max.

The support for equal gay rights has been growing strong as of late and there are even plenty of those that don't agree with it that support equality and don't want to discriminate.

Also looking at a similar issue support for same sex marriage has is dramatically passed what the support for interracial marriage was. Currently its around 50+%, sadly interracial marriage didn't have a majority approval until around 1997 (30 years after it was made legal, pathetic)

What do you think.

0-5 years
5-10 years
10-15 years
15-20 years
20-25 years
25+ years
Never

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I'd say within the next 5-10 years, and it will likely be resolved by the Supreme Court rather than legislative action.

melg89 said:

Judging by your posts in the sex forum about women in the military, I bet you do. :lol:

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you're a dirty little sinner aren't you, need to pray for forgiveness, yeah, on your knees...mmm gona force my religion down your throat...yeah....yeah you like that opression....mhmm feel my salvation all over your face...yeah...

Jerry said:

you're a dirty little sinner aren't you, need to pray for forgiveness, yeah, on your knees...mmm gona force my religion down your throat...yeah....yeah you like that opression....mhmm feel my salvation all over your face...yeah...

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:roll: I think you should take a ride in your truck. :2wave:

Tigger said:

Some of us believe more in our Morals, Values, and Principles than we do in the ideas of Freedom or Liberty. I understand that's not a very popular concept in this country anymore, but there are still some of us who see the world that way.

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Except since morals are relative, it is possible to believe in our morals and still support SSM. This is where your position always breaks down.

Jerry said:

you're a dirty little sinner aren't you, need to pray for forgiveness, yeah, on your knees...mmm gona force my religion down your throat...yeah....yeah you like that opression....mhmm feel my salvation all over your face...yeah...

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melg89 said:

:roll: I think you should take a ride in your truck. :2wave:

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Moderator's Warning:

Cease the personal attacks.

There are three cases going through the court system now that will have a major impact on this. The first two are the Mass. DOMA cases. The legal argument being used against DOMA is that it infringes on the states historic right to handle marriage(yes, gross oversimplification, but that is the essence of the main argument). In the first trial, the court agreed with this argument. It is unlikely that any court will overturn the first ruling, and so DOMA is unlikely to survive past a couple years. That is the first nail in the coffin of SSM bans.

The next case is the Prop 8 case(perry V Schwarzenegger). The argument in this case against California's SSM ban was that it violated the Equal Protection clause of the 14th amendment. The first court case ended with the judge agreeing that the ban was unconstitutional. While this one is stickier, it is still better than even odds the higher courts will agree. This will be the second nail in the coffin of SSM bans, albeit a smaller nail.

When DOMA is overturned in the next couple years, this will mean that states will go back to having to recognize marriages from other states, with any laws made to not recognize certain marriages from other states not being able to survive even cursory challenges. Once that happens, and with some states doing SSM, it is at that point all over, and the question will just be how long it takes each state to formalize that they perform SSM. When all it takes is a drive to NY for any gay couple to get married and have that marriage recognized in their home state, it serves the individual states not at all to not perform those marriages themselves. Once DOMA is gone, it will proceed quickly.

Until it's legal everywhere? Probably a long time. It is already legel in a few states here and that's a move in the right direction.

at least two I think, but maybe more

I voted 5-10 years, but now that I think about it, it'll probably be close to 15 or 20 before it's legal in all states. I do think we'll see a dramatic increase of the number of states that allow it within 10 years. Studies show that the younger generations are overwhelmingly in favor of legalizing SSM and as the older, more socially conservative generations die off the laws will quickly change.