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Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal


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Why is it that whenever we have a discussion on gay marriage, people who are against it always fall back on "well gays can't have children"! So... the... ****... what if they can't? Be honest with yourselves, how many ****ing people do you think get married in order to have kids? I know for a fact that I got married in order to get ***** 24/7 without having to chase after it. I got lucky. My wife is beautiful even after birth so it's like she never even gave birth to begin with. I know I'm not alone and I'm probably not in the majority, however it's safe to bet that there are millions of people out there who didn't get married in order to have ****ing kids. The kids just appeared the same way the car, mortgage and weird neighbors did.
 
Why is it that whenever we have a discussion on gay marriage, people who are against it always fall back on "well gays can't have children"! So... the... ****... what if they can't? Be honest with yourselves, how many ****ing people do you think get married in order to have kids? I know for a fact that I got married in order to get ***** 24/7 without having to chase after it. I got lucky. My wife is beautiful even after birth so it's like she never even gave birth to begin with. I know I'm not alone and I'm probably not in the majority, however it's safe to bet that there are millions of people out there who didn't get married in order to have ****ing kids. The kids just appeared the same way the car, mortgage and weird neighbors did.

You know now that you're gonna have to post some Tavern pics at some point.
 
I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind, CC. Never have been. All I'm here to do is ensure that when you folks stand in front of your Creators you have no capability to say.... "But I didn't know that....."

I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind either. My task when debating you is to demonstrate the complete inaccuracy of what you say so that any unsuspecting poster who reads your posts can then say, "ah, NOW I understand that what Tigger said is completely wrong and makes no sense.". Every time I see you post something that is completely inaccurate... like you have done here, I will point out your inaccuracy... so that ANYONE who reads it, who might not be sure, will be unsure no longer. I have no issue with YOU believing the fallacies that you believe. Anyone is entitled to believe falseness, so go on and continue to do so. I just want to make sure that no one else believes what you say, since what you say is not accurate.

If you say so. Just make sure they bury you folks with a lot of sunscreen.

I'm far more concerned about you carrying lots of sunscreen and sunglasses when YOU get buried, I have no concerns that I will need none when it's my "time".
 
I am suggesting that over the LONG-TERM, that there may well be a significant growth in the percentage of homosexual individuals if/when the practice becomes acceptable in society. We do not yet have a large enough sample size/timeline to determine what the potential long-term effects of this sort of change in society might be. Whether the legalization of such practices in Europe is a cause of some of their social ills or a symptom of them is hard to say at this point, but it cannot be denied that the countries which choose to accept it are generally much more Socialist than those that do not.

Since throughout history, the population percentage of homosexuals has consistently hovered around 4%-7%, you are, as usual, wrong again, with your assertion. See, Tigger, you REALLY need to stop presenting what you post as if they are facts. They are quite the opposite of facts, as is proven pretty much every time.
 
So if a couple is infertile and uses donor sperm, or adopts, that's wrong too?

In a single word.... YES.

But you said it's about children.

No, I said it's about the POTENTIAL for children. Children, just like adults are more often than not, unworthy of the flesh they inhabit or the oxygen they breath after about the age of five.

But you based that on having children. So you're full of crap on that. You have no rational reason for forbidding gay marriage over child-bearing if you don't also do it for hetero couples.

There is almost always the POTENTIAL for naturally created children in a hetero couple. There is NEVER a POTENTIAL for naturally created children in a same-sex couple

Sure they are. There are plenty of normal, healthy kids raised by gays, and plenty of completely ****ed up kids raised by straights too.

I will agree with the second half of your statement. I cannot say that I have ever encountered anyone who would fit the first half of your statement. The three I've known were all fruity-nutty-crunchy types who ran away like little girls every time someone said "boo" to them.

But see, I accept that people are different and can live their own lives. You don't. That's your problem, and it's only going to lead to even more frustration in your life, because nobody's going to actually listen to you.

I don't expect anyone to listen to me. I never have. All I can do is to promote what's RIGHT over what's Wrong. If they make the Wrong choices, that's up to them.
 
I'm far more concerned about you carrying lots of sunscreen and sunglasses when YOU get buried, I have no concerns that I will need none when it's my "time".

I'm not being buried. My body will be burned on a pyre. There won't be anything left of me or most of my possessions by the time my funeral is over.


Since throughout history, the population percentage of homosexuals has consistently hovered around 4%-7%, you are, as usual, wrong again, with your assertion. See, Tigger, you REALLY need to stop presenting what you post as if they are facts. They are quite the opposite of facts, as is proven pretty much every time.

Whatever you say, CC. I would suggest that this nation is as immoral as any in human history, and just getting worse by the day. We've surpassed the "Glories" of Rome and eventually it will be the demise of this nation; and I for one will stand and cheer when it happens.
 
In a single word.... YES.

And that makes sense to you...why?

No, I said it's about the POTENTIAL for children. Children, just like adults are more often than not, unworthy of the flesh they inhabit or the oxygen they breath after about the age of five.

Ah, so you think we should just kill children and forcibly sterilize everyone?

There is almost always the POTENTIAL for naturally created children in a hetero couple. There is NEVER a POTENTIAL for naturally created children in a same-sex couple

No, Tigger, there is not always potential for natural children in a hetero couple. You need to face reality. Your 90-year-old grandma is not going to get pregnant. A woman who has had a hysterectomy is not going to get pregnant. Period (no pun intended). It's simply not going to happen.

On the other hand, a lesbian could get pregnant any time she wants.

I will agree with the second half of your statement. I cannot say that I have ever encountered anyone who would fit the first half of your statement. The three I've known were all fruity-nutty-crunchy types who ran away like little girls every time someone said "boo" to them.

Yet it's true. There are lots of normal people you've never encountered, that's clear from your posts.

I don't expect anyone to listen to me. I never have. All I can do is to promote what's RIGHT over what's Wrong. If they make the Wrong choices, that's up to them.

Yes, you do expect people to listen to you, otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. And if you think promoting something works when you don't care, you're doing it wrong.
 
Why is it that whenever we have a discussion on gay marriage, people who are against it always fall back on "well gays can't have children"! So... the... ****... what if they can't? Be honest with yourselves, how many ****ing people do you think get married in order to have kids? I know for a fact that I got married in order to get ***** 24/7 without having to chase after it. I got lucky. My wife is beautiful even after birth so it's like she never even gave birth to begin with. I know I'm not alone and I'm probably not in the majority, however it's safe to bet that there are millions of people out there who didn't get married in order to have ****ing kids. The kids just appeared the same way the car, mortgage and weird neighbors did.

And the conservative would say "that's exactly why we have marriage - because kids just happen."
 
And that makes sense to you...why?

How about because I don't really believe in Free Will all that much. If the Powers want me to be married and have kids they'll make it happen. It's not my place to second-guess them. I may complain that it doesn't turn out the way I want it to, but in the end it's not MY decision to make.

Ah, so you think we should just kill children and forcibly sterilize everyone?

No. However, we need to get rid of this ridiculous idea that some 7 or 8 year old who commits a heinous crime isn't responsible for their actions, and we need to start formally charging their PARENTS as accessories to the crime.

No, Tigger, there is not always potential for natural children in a hetero couple. You need to face reality. Your 90-year-old grandma is not going to get pregnant. A woman who has had a hysterectomy is not going to get pregnant. Period (no pun intended). It's simply not going to happen.

The 90 year old grandma shouldn't be getting married in the first place. As for the others, stranger things have happened in the history of the world.

On the other hand, a lesbian could get pregnant any time she wants.

Not with her female lover, and without the aid of medical science she isn't.

Yet it's true. There are lots of normal people you've never encountered, that's clear from your posts.

There are a lot of "normal" people I do not have any interest in ever encountering either.

Yes, you do expect people to listen to you, otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. And if you think promoting something works when you don't care, you're doing it wrong.

All I'm doing is providing information. Nothing more. People may choose to do whatever they want with it. That's their issue, not mine.
 
How about because I don't really believe in Free Will all that much. If the Powers want me to be married and have kids they'll make it happen. It's not my place to second-guess them. I may complain that it doesn't turn out the way I want it to, but in the end it's not MY decision to make.

You say that about yourself, but not others.

The 90 year old grandma shouldn't be getting married in the first place.

Why not?

As for the others, stranger things have happened in the history of the world.

No they haven't, Tigger. This is that "reality" thing I referred to.

Not with her female lover, and without the aid of medical science she isn't.

She doesn't need medical science. She can simply have sex with a man.

There are a lot of "normal" people I do not have any interest in ever encountering either.

That should be your sig line, Tigger.

All I'm doing is providing information. Nothing more. People may choose to do whatever they want with it. That's their issue, not mine.

Of course it's your issue.
 
I'm not being buried. My body will be burned on a pyre. There won't be anything left of me or most of my possessions by the time my funeral is over.

OK. Well, regardless, I'm not worried.

Whatever you say, CC. I would suggest that this nation is as immoral as any in human history, and just getting worse by the day. We've surpassed the "Glories" of Rome and eventually it will be the demise of this nation; and I for one will stand and cheer when it happens.

And your "suggestion" is based on your particular morals... and since we know that those morals are not absolute, though you are entitled to your opinion, it is nothing but an opinion.
 
All I'm doing is providing information. Nothing more. People may choose to do whatever they want with it. That's their issue, not mine.

If you were providing information, I would have little issue with what you are saying. Thing is, you are NOT providing information. You are presenting your opinions disguised as information... and most of what you say, in that context, is MISinformation.
 
There's no way to say, with certainty. However; if opinion polls are to be believed, I'd say sooner, rather than later. By all evidence this is a polarizing issue for an increasingly small, and aging minority. It seems the younger you go, the greater the support for Gay Rights. It's essentially inevitable.
 
You know now that you're gonna have to post some Tavern pics at some point.

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I see what you did there.
 
Legal where? Legal throughout the United States? But I thought that...oh right, nobody takes the Tenth Amendment seriously anymore. Please excuse my forgetfulness.
 
Legal where? Legal throughout the United States? But I thought that...oh right, nobody takes the Tenth Amendment seriously anymore. Please excuse my forgetfulness.

the tenth wont be hurt in anyway if its made legal because of discrimination and the need for equality :shrug:
 
If you were providing information, I would have little issue with what you are saying. Thing is, you are NOT providing information. You are presenting your opinions disguised as information... and most of what you say, in that context, is MISinformation.

Yes, for instance, Tigger insists that there's always a possibility that a woman who has had a hysterectomy could get pregnant. :lol:
 
Legal where? Legal throughout the United States? But I thought that...oh right, nobody takes the Tenth Amendment seriously anymore. Please excuse my forgetfulness.

Nobody said this meant it would be a federal statute. The question is simply when will all 50 states legalize it, or the courts rule that all states must recognize gay marriages from other states, or rule that gay marriage is a constitutional right.
 
Nobody said this meant it would be a federal statute. The question is simply when will all 50 states legalize it, or the courts rule that all states must recognize gay marriages from other states, or rule that gay marriage is a constitutional right.
Well, if that's the case, 25+ years without a doubt. Anybody here think Mississippi's gonna go for it this generation?
 
Well, if that's the case, 25+ years without a doubt. Anybody here think Mississippi's gonna go for it this generation?

If the SCOTUS rules that other states must recognize legal marriages from all other states, then it won't matter if any single state doesn't want SSM or not.

Another possibility is that they could rule that anti-SSM laws violate equal protection of the 14th Amendment, and tell states that they must allow same sex couples legal marriage unless they change their marriage laws in such a way that sex is not the limiting factor.
 
Well, if that's the case, 25+ years without a doubt. Anybody here think Mississippi's gonna go for it this generation?

No. But the courts could rule that it must. Much like interracial marriage.
 
If the SCOTUS rules that other states must recognize legal marriages from all other states, then it won't matter if any single state doesn't want SSM or not.

Another possibility is that they could rule that anti-SSM laws violate equal protection of the 14th Amendment, and tell states that they must allow same sex couples legal marriage unless they change their marriage laws in such a way that sex is not the limiting factor.

Betcha at least one state will seriously consider that.
 
Betcha at least one state will seriously consider that.

It's very possible. But I think that it would still open up the state to criticism and/or challenges to the law. However, the state would do better in battles defending such laws in court than basing their restrictions on sex/gender.

Personally, I don't agree with a state doing this, which is why I am really hoping that any ruling includes an affirmation from the SCOTUS that states must recognize all legal marriages from other states under full faith and credit.
 
I wouldn't say that so much as they reinforced my view that I prefered the idea of being with a girl, and considered the alternative to be quite disgusting. Yes, and for some of us we consider it a badge of honor.

Same as Klansman where Racist with a badge of honor.
 
Same as Klansman where Racist with a badge of honor.

I'm not a proponent of the Klan's philosophy on race, but I do have to admire the fact that they still to their beliefs and they're willing to back them up, even in the face of extreme disagreement.
 
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