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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    As the EPC is worded currently I don't think there is a legal basis for saying it includes homosexual orientation. In legal terms I don't think the federal government should have the right to pass a federal law that forces states to go against their constitutions and issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples. If the federal government was the one issuing marriage licenses then this would be fine.

    In order to stay within the bounds of the Constitution and not trample on the rights of the states I think the best way to legalize gay marriage would be to do so formally by amending the Constitution. You don't need the support of all the states to do so and I think it is the best approach under the current laws and how things are legally.
    Maybe its the way of the least resistance but meanwhile people are being discriminated against and not sharing equal rights.

    No thanks, Im for the supreme court ridding our country of discrimination and giving equal gay rights.

    Currently you cant fire a person for being gay right? isnt that because they are a protected class and cant be discriminated against?
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    This isnt about whether you support it or are for same sex marriage or think its ok. What I am asking is how long do you think it will be until american politics makes it legal.

    A while ago I thought I wouldn't see it in my life time but my daughter would. But now with some bigotry dying every day and people fighting for equal rights for all americans and america always slowing righting its wrongs, ridding itself of discrimination my pick is 10 years max.

    The support for equal gay rights has been growing strong as of late and there are even plenty of those that don't agree with it that support equality and don't want to discriminate.

    Also looking at a similar issue support for same sex marriage has is dramatically passed what the support for interracial marriage was. Currently its around 50+%, sadly interracial marriage didn't have a majority approval until around 1997 (30 years after it was made legal, pathetic)
    SSM won't be legalized because the people all of a sudden had a moral leap and decided it was ok. That's not why slavery ended, that's not how interracial marriage was legalized, and that's not how ssm will be legalized.

    The courts will force it on the people, and over time the people will acclimate to it. It's not that we will grow to support ssm, it's that we will just get used to it like the weather.

    I give it 10-15, and I base that guess on the stubbornness of gays who refuse to stick with arguments which work in favor of the often tried and failed equality arguments. If they used the winning arguments, SSM would be actualized in under 5 years, but gay's being indignant will drag this out longer that it needs to be.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Hopefully sometime soon. I think its absolutely ridiculous that it isn't already. I don't care what anyone says- your personal opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter. Point blank.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    SSM won't be legalized because the people all of a sudden had a moral leap and decided it was ok. That's not why slavery ended, that's not how interracial marriage was legalized, and that's not how ssm will be legalized.

    The courts will force it on the people
    , and over time the people will acclimate to it. It's not that we will grow to support ssm, it's that we will just get used to it like the weather.

    I give it 10-15, and I base that guess on the stubbornness of gays who refuse to stick with arguments which work in favor of the often tried and failed equality arguments. If they used the winning arguments, SSM would be actualized in under 5 years, but gay's being indignant will drag this out longer that it needs to be.
    I agree with the bolded and that was my point.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by melg89 View Post
    Hopefully sometime soon. I think its absolutely ridiculous that it isn't already. I don't care what anyone says- your personal opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter. Point blank.
    well I wouldnt say it doesnt matter but the part I dont get is that their opinion wont have to change!!!!

    If it becomes legal today they can still think its wrong tomorrow THATS whats great about our country. But right now they want to force thier opinions on others and thats NOT what america is about.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaddieGreenwell View Post
    It's pathetic that two people that love each other can't marry.
    I know, right? Just because one of them is already married doesn't mean they should be stopped from taking another husband/wife. Equality shouldn't have to wait.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    well I wouldnt say it doesnt matter but the part I dont get is that their opinion wont have to change!!!!

    If it becomes legal today they can still think its wrong tomorrow THATS whats great about our country. But right now they want to force thier opinions on others and thats NOT what america is about.
    But it doesn't matter for exactly the reason you said after. They can think what they want (they being Christians or anyone else who disagrees with homosexuality) but at the end of the day they shouldn't be able to push that belief down everyone's throat. Who the hell are they to tell us who we can and can't marry (we being Americans). It's wrong and it shouldn't be allowed.

    I was going to re write this a little better but screw it- you all get my point lol.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Maybe its the way of the least resistance but meanwhile people are being discriminated against and not sharing equal rights.

    No thanks, Im for the supreme court ridding our country of discrimination and giving equal gay rights.

    Currently you cant fire a person for being gay right? isnt that because they are a protected class and cant be discriminated against?
    We do need to stop discriminating against these people. We should end elective abortions immediately (sorry, I couldn't resist).

    As it is now, states have a right to define marriage in their constitutions. They are the ones issuing the marriage certificates. The US Constitution doesn't specifically lay out that homosexuals are protected under the EPC solely on the basis of their sexuality. I think it's wrong that two homosexuals can't get married, that they are denied the right to visit their loved one in the hospital and that they can't legally be a marital partner. However, I think it would be wrong to trample on states rights and force them to legalize gay marriage based on a Constitutional ruling that is fueled by judge bias and not by the letters of the law. The states need to ratify the Constitution to extend the rights of marriage to homosexual couples. We don't need to violated states rights in the present by means that are not legally sound.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by melg89 View Post
    Hopefully sometime soon. I think its absolutely ridiculous that it isn't already. I don't care what anyone says- your personal opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter. Point blank.
    I thought SSM was about sex discrimination, not sexuality; the whole "a man can marry a woman but a woman can not marry a woman therefore it's discrimination" shtick. I'm confused.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by melg89 View Post
    But it doesn't matter for exactly the reason you said after. They can think what they want (they being Christians or anyone else who disagrees with homosexuality) but at the end of the day they shouldn't be able to push that belief down everyone's throat. Who the hell are they to tell us who we can and can't marry (we being Americans). It's wrong and it shouldn't be allowed.
    I guess thats one way of saying it and I agree but I guess my point was the majority of people always matter. It was more of a respecting other american thing I was getting at.

    But yes I agree in general
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