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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I find lots of hetero marriages to be "icky" too.
    It's not about "icky". It's about the preservation of the species both biologically and morally. A same-sex couple cannot (without medical assistance) propegate the species. A gay couple can't do it at all (no womb at the inn). Therefore a society that accepts the idea of same-sex couples sufficiently to allow them to become any significant percentage in the population risks doing great damage to its ability to continue to exist. Especially in this day and age where fewer and fewer heterosexual couples are having larger families. The acceptance also damages the core morals and values of the society, undermining the foundation that society was supposed to be built upon.


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    How convenient.
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    Actually, you have consistently demonstrated that you do not understand the concepts of morals and values. We've been down this road before, Tigger. You can't win since you are wrong.
    I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind, CC. Never have been. All I'm here to do is ensure that when you folks stand in front of your Creators you have no capability to say.... "But I didn't know that....."


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    See, here's the problem with your position, Tigger. No one really cares what your positions are, because anyone who reads them recognizes that not only is this NOT what the US is about, it is not what the US has EVER been about. Your beliefs are your own and do not speak for the majority of folks, Every post you make PROVES my position that morals are relative. You are a walking, talking mass of self-refutation.
    They may not be what the US is about, but some of us answer to a higher power than any man-made State. They ARE what the US SHOULD be about, and that's all I really care about.


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    Sure. That people with extreme views that no one takes seriously will always exist. They do serve a purpose though. An example of what NOT to become.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Therefore a society that accepts the idea of same-sex couples sufficiently to allow them to become any significant percentage in the population risks doing great damage to its ability to continue to exist.
    Are you suggesting that the percentage of gay people would grow significantly if same sex marriage were allowed? How come this has not occurred in the countries that have legalized same sex marriage? Why has no society that has embraced same sex marriage fallen off the earth?

    The problem with your kind of claims is that same sex marriage actually already exists within our country and around the world. As such your claims are easily disproved. For example, the first state to legalize same sex marriage has the lowest divorce rates in our country. Also, there has not been a significant increase in the number of gay people in countries that allow same sex marriage.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    If you are hetero. What incentive could encourage you to engage in a homosexual relationship?

    If people who have same sex relationships constitute less than 5% of the global population, does it negatively effect or threaten the world population in a significant way?

    What percent of hetero couples who marry choose not to reproduce? Does their decision negatively effect or threaten the world population in a significant way?

    Why is the 95% heterosexual population so obsessed over the 5% homosexual population's lives "behind closed doors"? The 95% have enough problems managing their lives behind closed doors.

    When and why did you "choose" your sexual orientation?

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are you suggesting that the percentage of gay people would grow significantly if same sex marriage were allowed? How come this has not occurred in the countries that have legalized same sex marriage? Why has no society that has embraced same sex marriage fallen off the earth?
    I am suggesting that over the LONG-TERM, that there may well be a significant growth in the percentage of homosexual individuals if/when the practice becomes acceptable in society. We do not yet have a large enough sample size/timeline to determine what the potential long-term effects of this sort of change in society might be. Whether the legalization of such practices in Europe is a cause of some of their social ills or a symptom of them is hard to say at this point, but it cannot be denied that the countries which choose to accept it are generally much more Socialist than those that do not.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    If you are hetero. What incentive could encourage you to engage in a homosexual relationship?
    Those of us who are fully hetero wouldn't be affected. Those who are on the fence about their choice of partners very well might be affected by the social stigma and the lack of acceptability of a homosexual relationship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    If people who have same sex relationships constitute less than 5% of the global population, does it negatively effect or threaten the world population in a significant way?
    At 5%, probably not. At 10% it could definitely be an issue. Especially with the fact that more and more couples are choosing to not replace themselves via their offspring (having less than 2 children).

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    What percent of hetero couples who marry choose not to reproduce? Does their decision negatively effect or threaten the world population in a significant way?
    I'm not sure what the numbers are specifically, but I do remember seeing something in recent years that indicated that the majority of American married couples were not replacing themselves (choosing to have less than 2 children). There are/were a number of reasons for this including the 2 income family and the general disinterest in parenting compared to career orientation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Why is the 95% heterosexual population so obsessed over the 5% homosexual population's lives "behind closed doors"? The 95% have enough problems managing their lives behind closed doors.
    Because we're concerned that those doors are going to be thrown wide open and create an even larger problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    When and why did you "choose" your sexual orientation?
    Probably about age 11 or 12, when my parents sat down with me and explained the basics of human sexuality and what is/isn't appropriate. They also discussed the consequences of choosing poorly in decisions related to such things.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    If you are hetero. What incentive could encourage you to engage in a homosexual relationship?

    If people who have same sex relationships constitute less than 5% of the global population, does it negatively effect or threaten the world population in a significant way?

    What percent of hetero couples who marry choose not to reproduce? Does their decision negatively effect or threaten the world population in a significant way?

    Why is the 95% heterosexual population so obsessed over the 5% homosexual population's lives "behind closed doors"? The 95% have enough problems managing their lives behind closed doors.

    When and why did you "choose" your sexual orientation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Those of us who are fully hetero wouldn't be affected. Those who are on the fence about their choice of partners very well might be affected by the social stigma and the lack of acceptability of a homosexual relationship.

    At 5%, probably not. At 10% it could definitely be an issue. Especially with the fact that more and more couples are choosing to not replace themselves via their offspring (having less than 2 children).

    I'm not sure what the numbers are specifically, but I do remember seeing something in recent years that indicated that the majority of American married couples were not replacing themselves (choosing to have less than 2 children). There are/were a number of reasons for this including the 2 income family and the general disinterest in parenting compared to career orientation.
    Because we're concerned that those doors are going to be thrown wide open and create an even larger problem.

    Probably about age 11 or 12, when my parents sat down with me and explained the basics of human sexuality and what is/isn't appropriate. They also discussed the consequences of choosing poorly in decisions related to such things.
    Tigger, your parent gave you a little talk and they convinced you that you should be a heterosexual?

    As for the other comments in your reply...

    Ever heard of the term "homophobic"?

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Tigger, your parent gave you a little talk and they convinced you that you should be a heterosexual?
    I wouldn't say that so much as they reinforced my view that I prefered the idea of being with a girl, and considered the alternative to be quite disgusting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    As for the other comments in your reply... Ever heard of the term "homophobic"?
    Yes, and for some of us we consider it a badge of honor.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I wouldn't say that so much as they reinforced my view that I prefered the idea of being with a girl, and considered the alternative to be quite disgusting.
    Do you believe that you have a built in control mechanism that allows you to purposely (at will) select an opposite sex relationship and/or be disgusted by having a same sex relationship?

    At this point, I have no doubt that you don't subscribe to "circumstance of birth"...but, I'm compelled to ask the following anyway. "When did you select the following immutable characteristics?":

    Color of eyes
    Color of hair
    Height
    Weight
    Gender
    Parents you'd be born to
    Socio-economic status of parents at time of your birth
    Level of social attractiveness
    Intellectual capabilities

    And do you believe that we are are born equal?

    Your response to: Ever heard of the term "Homophobic"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger
    Yes, and for some of us we consider it a badge of honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Do you believe that you have a built in control mechanism that allows you to purposely (at will) select an opposite sex relationship and/or be disgusted by having a same sex relationship?
    I believe that the normal state of human sexuallity is heterosexuality. I do believe that there are people who purposefully choose to ignore this state for certain social and political reasons. I also understand that there are individuals who are born with an altered psycholical makeup that creates a suggestion towards homosexuality. I also believe that psychological disorder can and should be treated and overcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    At this point, I have no doubt that you don't subscribe to "circumstance of birth"...but, I'm compelled to ask the following anyway. "When did you select the following immutable characteristics?":

    Color of eyes; Color of hair; Height; Weight; Gender; Parents you'd be born to; Socio-economic status of parents at time of your birth; Level of social attractiveness
    Intellectual capabilities
    I did not select any of those things any more than I chose to be born with a full facial birthmark. Those things are determined beyond our control by two forces.... Genetics and The Fates. Some of them are designed to assist us and others are designed as tests for us to overcome in the course of our life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    And do you believe that we are are born equal?
    Nope. Not in the least. I never have. Of course I got a good, quick lesson in that from society because I was born with an obvious birth defect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's not about "icky". It's about the preservation of the species both biologically and morally. A same-sex couple cannot (without medical assistance) propegate the species. A gay couple can't do it at all (no womb at the inn).
    Same-sex couples can have children. They can do it through artificial insemination or adoption. Surely you agree that orphans should have parents, and that raising a child is just as important to the propagation of the species as giving birth to them?

    On the other hand, many straight couples cannot have children, and this is known before they get married. Post-menopausal women get married all the time.

    So you're premise is crap.
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