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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The problem is that once the State recognizes that Union as legitimate, it will have to start allowing them to get the same rights and privileges as people who are married. That means they will be drawing monies that have been taken from ME in taxes to support them, and therefore providing a de facto acceptance of the Union as appropriate. It's not a matter of "icky". It's a matter of basic decency and morality, and the fact that the Government would then be able to use MY money to support them.

    There's a significant difference. The RTKBA is a Constitutional Right. It's discussed among the first two Amendments that make up the Bill of Rights. I do not see any provision in there for the government to come in and start forcing States to recognize immoral acts carried out in other States as legitimate in their State.
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    Actually, you are taking money from same-sex families with your so-called morality.

    And I find discrimination - the kind of discrimination you practice - to be utterly immoral and thoroughly indecent.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Actually, you are taking money from same-sex families with your so-called morality.
    Which would go away with the legalization of same-sex marriage, so that's kind of a red herring, FFG.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And I find discrimination - the kind of discrimination you practice - to be utterly immoral and thoroughly indecent.
    Good for you. The next moment I care about what you or anyone else believes about me or my lifestyle, philosophies, etc.... will be the first moment I do so.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The problem is that once the State recognizes that Union as legitimate, it will have to start allowing them to get the same rights and privileges as people who are married. That means they will be drawing monies that have been taken from ME in taxes to support them, and therefore providing a de facto acceptance of the Union as appropriate. It's not a matter of "icky". It's a matter of basic decency and morality, and the fact that the Government would then be able to use MY money to support them.
    I find lots of hetero marriages to be "icky" too.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Your "God" and I parted company more than a decade ago, Chuck. The ones I follow now don't believe in that sort of thing.
    How convenient.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The thing is though, is that it's a state's rights issue. Marriage isn't mentioned in the constitution nor is sexuality mentioned. there is the equal protection clause, but that doesn't prevent states from legally defining marriage between a male husband and female wife. I highly doubt that all the states will legalize gay marriage. At best the Supreme Court could force states to legally recognize gay marriages performed in states where it is legal.
    The Equal protection clause ABSOLUTELY prevents states from legally defining marriage if the SCOTUS issues a holding that states cannot discriminate. You are incorrect.
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Some of us believe more in our Morals, Values, and Principles than we do in the ideas of Freedom or Liberty. I understand that's not a very popular concept in this country anymore, but there are still some of us who see the world that way.
    Bigotry does not = "Morality".
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think the federal government should force states to go against their constitutions and votes. I also don't think it would be right to wait until the Supreme Court is stacked with liberal judges who will warp the Constitution. If the states decided to Amend the Constitution and make sexuality a protected entity under the equal protection clause then that would force the states to allow homosexual marriages. I think that would happen sooner than all states changing their view.



    As long as we are a democracy morals, values, and principals will run things. However, these things can change over time. The principal that the government should not bar two homosexuals who love each other from marrying and recognizing that they are committed to the same marital values that heterosexual couples have is what many (including myself) are now believing. Upon these principals and values do we believe that homosexuals should have the right to marry.
    So....if a state passed a Constitutional amendment that banned inter-racial marriage....or even further defined marriage a a union between a white man and a white woman....you would be ok with that?
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    LOL. Then you have no concept of what Morals and Values truly are, CC. Doesn't surprise me in today's society, but it does disappoint me. Then again there aren't many people in this day and age who are willing to put Principles before their own pleasure, so it probably shouldn't be surprising to me.
    Actually, you have consistently demonstrated that you do not understand the concepts of morals and values. We've been down this road before, Tigger. You can't win since you are wrong.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'll be popping something other than champagne that day.




    Yep. Who knows, maybe this is the issue that sets the Third American Revolution into motion. Each side has won one of the first two, and there's going to have to be a deciding game one of these days.




    At least until their neighbors dragged them out of their home and lynched them.
    See, here's the problem with your position, Tigger. No one really cares what your positions are, because anyone who reads them recognizes that not only is this NOT what the US is about, it is not what the US has EVER been about. Your beliefs are your own and do not speak for the majority of folks, Every post you make PROVES my position that morals are relative. You are a walking, talking mass of self-refutation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Well, we keep springing up, so that should tell you something.
    Sure. That people with extreme views that no one takes seriously will always exist. They do serve a purpose though. An example of what NOT to become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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