View Poll Results: Idealism or Pragmatism?

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Thread: Pragmatism or Idealism: Which is More Important?

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    Re: Pragmatism or Idealism: Which is More Important?

    People say "pragmatism" like it's a bad word, but all it really is, is approaching your ideals effectively. It's deciding what sacrifices you're willing to make for what's truly important to you, and then making them. Idealism is the delusion that you can accomplish anything in this world for free, and is thus plagued by ineffectiveness or overwhelming unintended consequences; it is no virtue.

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    Re: Pragmatism or Idealism: Which is More Important?

    Without pragmatism, the idealist has no tools with which to reach his ideals. Idealism is "wouldn't it be wonderful if..." Pragmatism is "How could...be effectively achieved?"

    Also, pragmatism is handy for letting idealism know when to raise the white flag because it is royally ****ed.

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    Re: Pragmatism or Idealism: Which is More Important?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Keeping in mind that the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, which is the more important value in terms of your political beliefs?

    Do you focus on the ideal situation and strive to make that a reality as much as you can? Or do you favor pragmatism and think that each situation should be taken into account on it's own merits? Are there inherent Truths that should be followed or is the world too complex for these ideals to be considered as a basis for thoughts/actions?

    This is meant to be as objective as possible; please excuse any perceived bias in the above if you find any.

    I try to figure out what is the morally right thing to do, and then do it.

    Now.... there are times when this is difficult. Not everything is black and white. Sometimes the ideal outcome is not achieveable; sometimes all outcomes lead to bad things for someone. Sometimes it is necessary to be pragmatic and choose the lesser of two evils.

    As for political ideology, I consider it a set of ideals and guidelines. I think we have to be aware that it isn't always possible to achieve one's ideological goals in full, or certain not in full right now in one swoop. Politics is the art of compromise, and compromise is not a dirty word: it is what we do instead of killing each other.

    There is a local big-name in talk radio who prides himself as a man of principle and expects politicians to be the same... any politician who compromises on any ideological principle in the slightest way draws his disgust and verbal destruction. I consider him to be an example of someone who has let ideology blind him to pragmatic realities: someone who makes perfect the enemy of good, who fails to realize that sometimes you have to meet the opposition in the middle to get something needful done.

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    Re: Pragmatism or Idealism: Which is More Important?

    In the context of this question pragmatism is being projected as common sense, which seems more realistic than idealistic morality based on ego. I hate philosophy it only presents more questions than answers.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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