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Will you vote for Paul or Obama?

Ron Paul or Obama?

  • Ron Paul

    Votes: 36 50.0%

  • Obama

    Votes: 36 50.0%
  • Total voters
    72
Hatuey said:
Another useless and unverified statistic. When campus groups are almost evenly divided between Democrats/Republicans or Liberal/Conservatives, claiming that Libertarians are growing quickly is about as meaningful as saying that you're also a growing vocal group on the internet. You're going to have to do a lot better than baseless claims and useless statistics to show me that Libertarians are anything other than a vocal (and annoying) minority pretending they're the new voice of who knows what.
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Did you take a look at the exit polls from Iowa and New Hampshire?

Primaries - Exit/Entrance Polls - Election Center 2012 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com - Iowa

Primaries - Exit/Entrance Polls - Election Center 2012 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com - New Hampshire
 
Hatuey said:
Another useless and unverified statistic. When campus groups are almost evenly divided between Democrats/Republicans or Liberal/Conservatives, claiming that Libertarians are growing quickly is about as meaningful as saying that you're also a growing vocal group on the internet. You're going to have to do a lot better than baseless claims and useless statistics to show me that Libertarians are anything other than a vocal (and annoying) minority pretending they're the new voice of who knows what.
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gotta say I agree Henrin. Among college students, libertarianism is the fastest growing ideology - I don't really have any numbers to back it up, but it's just something I've been witnessing around my own campus.
 
Ron Paul. I think the most damaging of his policies would never pass and he wouldn't be the type to find executive end arounds to do them, however his push for them would likely get "moderated" versions in place which I think would be a good thing. This is more than I can say for Obama.
 
Your Star said:
Obama. Paul would decimate too many important agencies, and his foreign policy is dangerous.
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So, Ron Paul’s foreign policy is dangerous compared to war, war and more war?
Which agencies do you find too important to eliminate?
 
Ron Paul, nuff said or maybe a bit more.
Oh no, lower taxes. Oh no, more liberty. Oh no, more prosperity. Oh no, stop the wars.
 
Ron Paul, but then, I'd vote for one of my local ex-cons over Obama. ;)
 
Henrin said:
His biggest voting block is college kids. I'm not pretending there is enough college kids that would vote for Paul out there to win the election, or even the primary, but if Haymarkets desire is to come true it would show a bigger tide than anyone is aware of in that age group. This would be exactly what people like Haymarket don't want as it would be a sign the future of democrats is not the youth vote.
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Toss away the youth vote. The Democrats had to learn that lesson the hard way in the early 70s. We need to learn it again. Useless demographic.
 
Obama. Paul may appeal to progressives because of his foreign policy and relatively liberal views on social issues, but in my opinion it is foolish to pick a candidate based entirely on only one half of the story. These progressives are forgetting economics entirely.
 
JustinS said:
Obama. Paul may appeal to progressives because of his foreign policy and relatively liberal views on social issues, but in my opinion it is foolish to pick a candidate based entirely on only one half of the story. These progressives are forgetting economics entirely.
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I don't think I heard of a progressive that supports Paul not mention how economically he is wrong (they usually bring that up). But I guess if he held their views on that part, he wouldn't be a conservative :D. I think the conclusion is that Paul is someone they can stomach as nobody else is genuinely anti-war, anti-fed etc... and beats the current status quo. Some people can also be single issue voters or something to that exchange. Also our foreign policy is apart of our economics so not entirely but i understand what you mean.

Interesting poll results btw. I haven't voted yet.
 
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jasonxe said:
I don't think I heard of a progressive that supports Paul not mention how economically he is wrong (they usually bring that up). But I guess if he held their views on that part, he wouldn't be a conservative :D. I think the conclusion is that Paul is someone they can stomach as nobody else is genuinely anti-war, anti-fed etc... and beats the current status quo. Some people can also be single issue voters or something to that exchange. Also our foreign policy is apart of our economics so not entirely but i understand what you mean.
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I have. It's generally because of his foreign policy, but the entire other half of the equation is neglected unfortunately. One thing about libertarian conservatives like Ron Paul is that they will always put economics first, and social issues become last priority. He will probably not act on his foreign policy as diligently as he would in 'liberating' the economy. Ron Paul does seem to be the most 'meliorative' candidate (although I honestly wouldn't define his policies as better than the current status quo).
 
In my opinion...Ron Paul is not only incapable of making effective changes by virtue of the systemic problems that exist today in politics and government, but he doesn't offer solutions and/or reforms that will restore the intended relationship between the people and government.

All of the things that Ron Paul is currently claiming that he would employ to change the course of this nation's problems - would simply be rearranging the problems, not eradicating them. Thus far all of the changes that Ron Paul is suggesting, even shutting down various departments within government and bringing an end to the war in Afghanistan, still isn't changing the one thing that is vital to TRUE CHANGE – eradicating the existing laws that allow for the ever increasing relationships between special interests and government that will continue to significantly degrade the relationship between the people and government.

We are becoming more insane on a daily basis…and its not just about what’s going on with the (so-called cult followers) of Ron Paul.

Eons of government and political propaganda has, in my opinion, finally reached a benchmark in its efforts to divide our nation's citizens to the point we've become, in our minds, powerless to be change agents in our nation's affairs.

Our political and government institutions are growing more clever by the day. Without sounding too conspiracy like, for sometime now we've witnessed a significant transformation in the relationship between government and citizens. And in my humble opinion, not a positive transformation. Our individual and collective citizen voice has become less than a faint whisper and is failing to work as intended. Progressive interventions by special interests have altered not on the election process, but the daily workings of government.

In essence, government has, over time, legislated in new bosses for themselves.

Our government is an out-of-control parasite that's on the edge of severely, if not fatally damaging it's host.

To believe that any single participant in our election process is capable of rising above the systemic problems that exists inside our politics and government...is unstable thinking, in my opinion.

"Ameliorate" isn't an operative word or term with politicians today...no matter who they are.

We are falling into a state of desperation that far exceeds that of the campaigning days of Obama.

Government has created a deception game that's genius. It's created the illusion that one president's stay in office is compartmentalized. All behaviors implemented by one president are mutually exclusive from all previous presidents. In other words, the rationale is that the toe bone is connected to the hip bone.

Despite the belief of many, cause and effect aren't compartmentalized when it comes to politics.

People often complain that the legislative process is often to slow. But the framers made clear note that its design was to ensure that knee jerk legislation would hopefully be minimized by the check and balance system and procedural processes of government. If there is an ounce of truth to the design and intent...then it would be impossible for the actions of government to be compartmentalized, but rather travel on a continuum.

My previous comments said, Ron Paul would inherent the problems of decades of his predecessors...just has all of the presidents before him…in addition to those problems that would give rise in his presidency….just like all the others. He would be confronted with many of the same systemic problems that affect the courses of action that he would "allowed" to pursue. And I don't use the word "allowed" lightly. The wheels of a self-will-run-riot political and government system would keep on turning.

We need a game-changer who will work to get us hired back as the boss.

By the way...Obama...absolutely no better than Ron Paul. We're in a shameful mess.
 
JustinS said:
I have. It's generally because of his foreign policy, but the entire other half of the equation is neglected unfortunately. One thing about libertarian conservatives like Ron Paul is that they will always put economics first, and social issues become last priority. He will probably not act on his foreign policy as diligently as he would in 'liberating' the economy. Ron Paul does seem to be the most 'meliorative' candidate (although I honestly wouldn't define his policies as better than the current status quo).
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Ron Paul's First Action as President - YouTube
 
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