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    Re: what are your "Federal government butt out" issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I won't post it as a voting poll, but just list the issues that you would rather seen handled by state governments than the Federal government. Here are mine:

    • marijuana (for medicinal or recreational use)
    • the sale of sexual services (often derisively known as prostitution)
    • marriage, especially gay marriage
    I think it would be easier for me to post some issues I think the state should not be able to decide on.

    Those issues are-(no I am not going to debate any of these issues.If me thinking that only traditional marriage should be legal offends you then too bad)

    Gay marriage should be illegal period.

    Marijuana should be legal for medicinal and recreational use,including being able to grow it for personal use or even as much as you want.The same rules that apply to alcohol and cigarettes should apply to marijuana.

    Prostitution should be legal.If a prostitute is not self employed,meaning she works for a cat house/brothel then there should be laws in place ensuring that she keeps most of the money she makes from selling her services.There should be mandatory weekly or bi-weekly std screenings that the prostitute pays for out of her own pocket unless she works for a business such as a cat house/brothel.There should also be reasonable limits on where she is allowed to sell her services or where a cat house/brothel is allowed to operate.

    States should not be allowed to decided on the 2nd amendment since state have proven that many of them only seek to infringe on the constitution which is the supreme law of the land.You should not need a permit/license,register your weapon or go through a waiting period,pay annual taxes, pay excessive sales taxes(taxes higher than the average sales tax for bread,food or books)or submit to a back ground check just to exercise your second amendment rights.The second amendment says shall not infringe at the end of it ,which applies to both of the rights listed in the 2nd amendment.Which is for a regulated militia and for the people the right to keep and bear arms.

    Abortion should be illegal on the federal level unless its to save the life of the mother and more than one doctor who is not pro-abortion says that carrying a baby to 50% viable term either through vaginal or c-section birth will result in the loss of the mother's life.
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    Re: what are your "Federal government butt out" issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm glad they haven't criminalized prostitution. What they have done is to criminalize sexual tourism, which is going to another country for the purpose of participating in prostitution. IMO they've overreached their authority. What happens in another country falls under the jurisdiction of that country, not of the Federal government.
    Except those countries where people go for sexual tourism are in countries in which child prostitution takes place.

    Criminalizing sexual tourism is an attempt to prevent international child prostitution, international sex trafficking, and international human trafficking. So I have no problem with them doing that.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: what are your "Federal government butt out" issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except those countries where people go for sexual tourism are in countries in which child prostitution takes place.

    Criminalizing sexual tourism is an attempt to prevent international child prostitution, international sex trafficking, and international human trafficking. So I have no problem with them doing that.
    I completely despise anyone who goes to another country in order to sleep with a child. However, I think prosecuting someone for what he or she does in another country reaches outside the government's jurisdiction. In other words, the sexual tourism laws are illegal themselves. The Federal Government's jurisdiction applies to anything that happens within our borders or territories or on our Naval ships at sea or military bases abroad or embassies abroad. Period. What happens on other sovereign soil is the responsibility of that country. The way to legally stop these criminals is for those countries to pass good laws and enforce them.

    The sexual tourism laws try to end-around the jurisdiction problem by claiming they're prosecuting someone for intending to do sexual tourism and that the intention happens on US soil. That makes it a thought crime. By that logic, someone could be intending to go to Thailand to sleep with a 10 year-old prostitute, but change his mind when he gets there and still be guilty of the crime. He's guilty of about thinking of illicit sex. Any competent defense attorney ought to be able to shoot gaping holes in these laws.

    I would have no problem with some type of agreement with other countries to prosecute these perverts under their law. If some other country doesn't have the prison space, the offender could be apprehended in Tailand (or wherever), tried there, and then extradited to the United States to serve his sentence.

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    Re: what are your "Federal government butt out" issues?

    The Butt Out list is endless. Here are some of the major ones:

    Health care
    Welfare
    Foreign aid
    Education
    Energy
    Economic development
    Housing
    Food
    Family and personal choices
    Prohibition (any kind)
    Firearm restrictions
    Etc., etc.....

    The purpose of government is to protect people from the wrongdoings of other people, defend our country from foreign agressors, and keep the roads in good shape. That's about it.

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    Re: what are your "Federal government butt out" issues?

    Pretty much nothing. There are reasons why government involvement can be beneficial in pretty much everything. There are plenty of things that I don't think the government should do, or be allowed to do, but I wouldn't say that there are areas where the government has no place. The government is involved in any kind of commerce, because of taxes, safety standards, environmental standards, transportation standards, prosecution of fraud, etc. The government is involved in our sexual activities to prosecute rape and abuse of children. The government is involved in marriage for purposes of managing inheritance, taxation, medical proxies, and the like. The really is no subject where government needs to "butt out." But it needs to be rigidly controlled in what ways it can affect these subjects. Discrimination needs to be prevented, responsible taxation and spending needs to be enforced, our military cannot be allowed to run amok, police and prosecutors need to be held accountable for their transgressions, the list goes on.

    As to federal vs state... States are obsolete. Completely useless. There is no reason to have differing rules when crossing an arbitrary line within the same country. It makes business difficult, and allows for abuses of civil rights. There is no issue that is not better settled on a more local level, such as a town or possibly county government, or made uniform and comprehensive by the federal government. States are a relic of the past.
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    Re: what are your "Federal government butt out" issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm completely against sexual slavery too. However, what you describe is really the result of illegal prostitution. It doesn't describe the legal brothels in Nevada. When it's legal and regulated, we avoid almost all the problems that happen with illegal prostitution. In the legal brothels, you don't have sex workers beholden to a pimp and forced to work. It's a case as in any other profession where a worker can choose to work or to quit and do something else. It's a case of consenting adults choosing to have sex. The only difference is it's done as a paid service. Even if you did find a pimp tyrant at a particular legal venue, it's one that should be shut down for not adhering to the regulations. I salute your desire to keep women safe. However, legalization is one way to accomplish that.
    Being that it is "regulated, the state of Nevada is obviously butting in on this. Not that I have a problem with that. A federal law prohibiting all prostitution I would have a problem with though. There are many who choose to give and receive and both parties are ok with it all. As far as the underage stuff, the sex slave trade and all, that stuff falls under the minor statitutes and kidnapping is a federal crime in and of itself. Existing laws take care of the problem, however enforcement of them may not. Not everyoe understands the difference between a good law and bad enforcement of it.

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