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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Iraqis did not ask to be "liberated" as you put it, and most of the genocide in Iraq occurred when Saddam was our ally, and Reagan had them removed from the Terrorist's Nations listing. So it wasn't that.
    This is largely true.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The US didn't get any oil or even any contracts regarding oil. Why do people still claim it was about oil.
    Hahaha... the "US"? We didn't get anything. If you honestly think Joe the Plumber was going to get cheaper oil you're being uncharacteristically naive.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/bu...pagewanted=all

    But read the fine print of those contracts, and companies more familiar to Americans are now poised to benefit handsomely as the oil business picks up in Iraq.

    The oil services companies Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Weatherford International and Schlumberger already won lucrative drilling subcontracts and are likely to bid on many more in one of the world’s richest markets for companies that drill oil wells. These days, that is not the oil majors.

    Halliburton and Baker Hughes are American, while Schlumberger is based in Paris though its drilling subdivision is headquartered in Houston. Weatherford, though founded in Texas, is now incorporated in Switzerland. “Iraq is a huge opportunity for contractors,” Alex Munton, a Middle East analyst for Wood Mackenzie, a research and consulting firm based in Edinburgh, said by telephone. “There will be an enormous scale of investment.” Mr. Munton estimated roughly half of the expected $150 billion the international majors will spend in capital outlays at Iraqi oil fields over the next decade will go to drilling subcontractors, most of them American.

    Halliburton has won drilling and well refurbishment contracts at three of the six major fields, Weatherford International, Schlumberger and Baker Hughes at two others. One Chinese oil-services company is also working on these projects, as is a domestic Iraqi subcontractor, the Iraq Drilling Co.

    Iraq signed the production contracts with international oil companies with the goal of increasing its oil output from about 2.4 million barrels a day in 2009 to as much as 12 million barrels a day within six years. So far, output has risen to 2.7 million barrels of oil per day.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    watch robert newmans the history of oil and you all will have your answer.you will find that not only was iraq a blood for oil war,so was word war one.the first battles of world war one were fought in mesopotamia,aka iraq.its funny though that ww1 is one of the least covered wars in history yet involved enough people to be claimed a world war.iraq switched to euros threatening our dollar system after he followed irans doing the sameiraq and iran werent enough to damage the dollar but both of them inspired other countries to follow suit,so americas choice was to leave an example of what would happen to any other oil country that abandoned the dollar for oil trading.


    if any of ya'll get the chance watch robert newmans the history of oil,not only is it informative but its done by a comedian so you wont fall asleep while he explains everything.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We did a good job, it just took us years longer than the cakewalk we thought it would be. After the Persian Gulf war and our 10 years of sanctions, Iraq was one of weakest countries on the planet.
    What good job? The Iraqi government has given no preference to Western contractors. Instead they've grown ties with Russia, China, and Iran. Oil production took years to reach pre-war levels. If it was all for Bush's oil buddies in Texas, where's the pot of black gold?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Iraq kicked big oil out of their country when it Nationalized its oil 35 years ago. The only way to get big oil back in was invasion, regime change, occupation and a new oil law, which we accomplished.
    Or we could have offered to lift those pesky sanctions in exchange for opening up trade. Seems a whole lot simpler to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
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    Is this some attempt at a dig or something? I agree that the Iraq War was colossally wasteful, poorly planned, and unnecessary. If the war was over Iraq's oil, it would have been far, far more so. The causes of the war were complex and don't fit into neat little slogans like "Remember 9/11" or "Bush died, a million died."
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    What good job? The Iraqi government has given no preference to Western contractors. Instead they've grown ties with Russia, China, and Iran. Oil production took years to reach pre-war levels. If it was all for Bush's oil buddies in Texas, where's the pot of black gold?

    Its not about Western contractors, oil is a global commodity, it is about getting big oil back into Iraq for the first time in 35 years, so those who have invested in the global oil market, can continue to rake in record profits, and assure as uninterrupted supply of middle east oil to the US and our partners in the invasion. Read about the perceived necessity of the war spelled out in Cheney's Task force report.


    Or we could have offered to lift those pesky sanctions in exchange for opening up trade. Seems a whole lot simpler to me.
    The same Nationalized oil law that kept big oil out of Iraq before the sanctions would still have been in place after the sanction. The Iraqi oil law had to be changed and that required a regime change that was US friendly that would agree to change the oil law.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    People really believe that this was about oil assets?

    If that were true, why doesn't the United States control Iraqi oil assets today?

    If you ask me, I have half a mind to agree with Donald Trump's position - Iraq should have to pay us back the full cost of the Iraq war. We did them and the region a favor by democratizing them. We put our young men at risk and spilled our blood. They SHOULD give us some of their oil. It's the least they can do.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    why doesn't the United States control Iraqi oil assets today?
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not about Western contractors, oil is a global commodity, it is about getting big oil back into Iraq for the first time in 35 years, so those who have invested in the global oil market, can continue to rake in record profits, and assure as uninterrupted supply of middle east oil to the US and our partners in the invasion. Read about the perceived necessity of the war spelled out in Cheney's Task force report.




    The same Nationalized oil law that kept big oil out of Iraq before the sanctions would still have been in place after the sanction. The Iraqi oil law had to be changed and that required a regime change that was US friendly that would agree to change the oil law.

    Mission Accomplished!
    The law in Iraq had to change due to a regime change, congratulations at pointing out the obvious. Oil was a huge priority due to a fact that it is 70% of Iraqs income. Believe it or not, without 70% of their income, people will begin to riot and a country will quickly break down, making any sort of military/diplomatic victory impossible. Whether the war was about oil or about fuzzy pink pandas both of these things would have happened. What you have shown in no way proves the Iraq war was fought for big oil companies. And regardless of if or if not it was, why would you be against these things AFTER the invasion, considering that not making the necessary changes to oil laws and not allowing further oil investment in the country by these companies would only prolong and make worse the war you are already against. Either way, your views are completely irrational.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Oil was a huge priority due to a fact that it is 70% of Iraqs income. Believe it or not, without 70% of their income, people will begin to riot and a country will quickly break down, making any sort of military/diplomatic victory impossible.
    This seems clear

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Whether the war was about oil or about fuzzy pink pandas both of these things would have happened.
    Right..

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    What you have shown in no way proves the Iraq war was fought for big oil companies.
    Are you saying you think that big oil had nothing to do with it, or are you just disagreeing with Catawba?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    And regardless of if or if not it was, why would you be against these things AFTER the invasion, considering that not making the necessary changes to oil laws and not allowing further oil investment in the country by these companies would only prolong and make worse the war you are already against.
    OK, you made a huge jump here ... you may need to explain yourself more clearly... are you saying that involvement in this war was inevitable?

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    The law in Iraq had to change due to a regime change, congratulations at pointing out the obvious. Oil was a huge priority due to a fact that it is 70% of Iraqs income. Believe it or not, without 70% of their income, people will begin to riot and a country will quickly break down, making any sort of military/diplomatic victory impossible. Whether the war was about oil or about fuzzy pink pandas both of these things would have happened. What you have shown in no way proves the Iraq war was fought for big oil companies. And regardless of if or if not it was, why would you be against these things AFTER the invasion, considering that not making the necessary changes to oil laws and not allowing further oil investment in the country by these companies would only prolong and make worse the war you are already against. Either way, your views are completely irrational.
    No, I didn't prove it was about oil. Cheney's report Energy Challenges for the 21st Century together with the most powerful country on the planet invading and occupying for almost a decade one of the weakest countries on the planet is what proves it. Without our regime change and the new oil law we wrote for them and propped them up to support, big oil would still be locked out of Iraq today.

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