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  • The USA OIL corporatocracy was acquiring assets

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    I believe that many factors played a role in our invasion of Iraq. One factor that I believe is largely ignored or discarded but I believe was a key reason was the defense contractors and the government officials that had ties to them. I believe defense lobbyists had been pushing the US war machine into more conflict for many years. Once GB was elected president knowing well the conflict between the Saddam family and the Bush family they found their golden egg. When a weak intelligent report came in that Saddam may have WMDs they (and our leaders with strong ties) pushed hard for action knowing full well it would mean billions in their pockets.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Some Iraqis deserve Saddam. **** em.
    No one deserves Anyone like Saddam. But, we should nto eb so arrogant as to think we have the right to invade countries and impose our will on others without just cause. And we should never tell others what they should be thankful for, especially something that cost them in excess of 100,000 lives.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The US didn't get any oil or even any contracts regarding oil. Why do people still claim it was about oil.
    Because, we understand that oil is bought and sold on the world market and that Iraq (with the second largest reserves of easily accessible oil in the world) had kept big oil out of Iraq for the last 35 years since they nationalized their oil. It was made very clear in the recommendations in Cheney's Task Force Report - Energy Challenges in the 21st Century:

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    "Iraq remains a destabilizing influence to U.S. allies in the Middle East, as well as
    to regional and global order, and to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated a willingness to threaten to use the oil weapon and to use his own export program to manipulate oil markets. This would display his personal power, enhance his image as a “Pan-Arab” leader supporting the Palestinians against Israel, and pressure others for a lifting of economic sanctions against his regime.

    The United States should conduct an immediate policy review towards Iraq, including military, energy, economic and political/diplomatic assessments."

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    If we invaded Iraq for its oil, we did a very bad job at it. The Iraqis don't seem to be favoring Western contractors any more than Chinese or Russian ones. The claim also ignores the fact that there were far easier ways of getting Iraqi oil than flattening the country and trying to rebuild it. Such as, lifting sanctions in exchange for increased economic ties. Now, was the Bush Administration concerned about Saddam threatening his neighbors' oil trade? Probably. Was opening up Iraq's nationalized, isolated oil industry a bonus? Probably. Was the war still unnecessary and based on poor planning? Again, probably. However, the notion that we invaded Iraq for its oil is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    If we invaded Iraq for its oil, we did a very bad job at it. The Iraqis don't seem to be favoring Western contractors any more than Chinese or Russian ones. The claim also ignores the fact that there were far easier ways of getting Iraqi oil than flattening the country and trying to rebuild it. Such as, lifting sanctions in exchange for increased economic ties. Now, was the Bush Administration concerned about Saddam threatening his neighbors' oil trade? Probably. Was opening up Iraq's nationalized, isolated oil industry a bonus? Probably. Was the war still unnecessary and based on poor planning? Again, probably. However, the notion that we invaded Iraq for its oil is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
    We did a good job, it just took us years longer than the cakewalk we thought it would be. After the Persian Gulf war and our 10 years of sanctions, Iraq was one of weakest countries on the planet.

    Iraq kicked big oil out of their country when it Nationalized its oil 35 years ago. The only way to get big oil back in was invasion, regime change, occupation and a new oil law, which we accomplished.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    I could make an informed asessment of what, I think, were the motivations behind the Bush administrations' occupation of Iraq, and we could debate that. What is incontrovertible is that the official reasons (The first being the supposed 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', then, once that was no longer credible, 'creating democracy.') were completely bogus.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    then, once that was no longer credible
    Liberating the Iraqis, ending policies of genocide and removing a threat from the region were reasons in every single speech from the beginning.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Liberating the Iraqis was in every single speech from the beginning.
    But it wasn't the primary reason. The reason why we had to invade Iraq was because Iraq had 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' that represented an existential threat. Once it became clear that Iraq did not have the destructive capabilities the administration claimed, and, furthermore, that the Bush administration had been aware of this from the beginning, then 'democracy creation' became the new primary motivation. This, of course, is just as manifestly false.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    I could make an informed asessment of what, I think, were the motivations behind the Bush administrations' occupation of Iraq, and we could debate that. What is incontrovertible is that the official reasons (The first being the supposed 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', then, once that was no longer credible, 'creating democracy.') were completely bogus.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Liberating the Iraqis, ending policies of genocide and removing a threat from the region were reasons in every single speech from the beginning.
    The Iraqis did not ask to be "liberated" as you put it, and most of the genocide in Iraq occurred when Saddam was our ally, and Reagan had them removed from the Terrorist's Nations listing. So it wasn't that.
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