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  • The USA was spreading democracy

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  • The USA OIL corporatocracy was acquiring assets

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  • Saddam was a big threat and had to be taken out

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Western Oil Firms Remain as US Exits Iraq | Truthout

    ""Only a nave child could believe the Americans came here for something besides our oil," Ahmed Ali, an unemployed engineer, told Al Jazeera. "Nor can we believe their being here has anything to do with helping the Iraqi people."

    Basim al-Khalili, a restaurant owner in Baghdad's Karada district, agrees.

    "If Iraq had no oil, would America have sacrificed thousands of its soldiers and hundreds of billions of dollars to come here?"

    Oil analyst Juhasz also agrees.

    "The US and other western oil companies and their governments had been lobbying for passage of a new national law in Iraq, the Iraq Oil Law, which would move Iraq from a nationalised to a largely privatised oil market using Production Sharing Agreements (PSAs), a type of contract model used in just approximately 12 per cent of the world's oil market."

    She explained that this agreement has been summarily rejected by most countries, including all of Iraq's neighbours, "because it provides far more benefits to the foreign corporation than to the domestic government".

    But it has not been an easy road for the western oil companies in Iraq."



    This is an Al Jazeera (Arab/MidEast) view of the Iraqi situation. Is it accurate? Is it lies? Is it propaganda? Why is the popularized USA view of spreading democracy so widely believed in the USA? Do OIL corporations have enough power in our USA gov't to initiate asset wars? Did you vote for that?
    I am much more prone to believe this man than I am the conservatives in our nation.
    But, of course, he is NOT totally correct..
    Americans are far better than is dictated.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    The reason that seem most logical to me was put out by the Straffor group, and it was that we wanted a base in Iraq because we couldn't stay in SA. Now, I have no idea if this was true or not, but it seem more likley than either for oil or that Saddam was a threat. Both of those seemed illogical and that you had to willing suspend a lot of disbelief to accept them as legitimate reasons for invading Iraq.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    No, I mean GW Bush. That was that famous US TV show entitled "Shock and Awe" instead of death and destruction. It was live on all channels with lots of bright fires and bombs as Baghdad, a cosmopolitan city of 4 million helpless citiziens, was bombed. Lots of dead people ignored as collateral damage. The demographics would indicate the population to be mainly children and women, ergo they are the highest percentage of the casualties. I did not think it was very funny that we sold Saddam the chemicals for the poison gas either.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Reposted to include the fact it was intended as reply with quote.Quote"The US didn't get any oil or even any contracts regarding oil. Why do people still claim it was about oil. Originally Posted by DaveFagan The crazies would be the ones who killed over 100,000 Iraqis. That'd be mostly women and children just because of population demographics. That would identify the real threat or crazy leader.You mean Saddam against the Kurds with chemical weapons?"End Quote
    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No, I mean GW Bush. That was that famous US TV show entitled "Shock and Awe" instead of death and destruction. It was live on all channels with lots of bright fires and bombs as Baghdad, a cosmopolitan city of 4 million helpless citiziens, was bombed. Lots of dead people ignored as collateral damage. The demographics would indicate the population to be mainly children and women, ergo they are the highest percentage of the casualties. I did not think it was very funny that we sold Saddam the chemicals for the poison gas either.

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No, I mean GW Bush.
    But Saddam too, right?

    I did not think it was very funny that we sold Saddam the chemicals for the poison gas either.
    The US (the West) sold him anthrax vaccinations for cattle, else millions of cows would die. He weaponized it (the cows died).

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The US didn't get any oil or even any contracts regarding oil. Why do people still claim it was about oil.




    You mean Saddam against the Kurds with chemical weapons?
    No where near 100,000 were killed when Saddam used the weapons we gave him for his war with Iran against the Kurds. The homicidal nut was GW Bush

    The attack killed between 3,200 and 5,000 people, and injured around 7,000 to 10,000 more, most of them civilians;[1][2] thousands more died of complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack.[3] The incident, which has been officially defined as an act of genocide against the Kurdish people in Iraq,[4] was and still remains the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.[5]

    Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Dave, I'm not suggesting that there were not additional benefits to carrying out the operation; but it is my belief, from what I have read over time, that GW was looking for any excuse possible (9/11) to attack Iraq because Hussein and several other entities inside Iraq had been involved in the planning of an assassination attempt against GW's father. If 9/11 hadn't happened, or if all the oil in Iraq had dried up overnight, GW would STILL have found a reason to invade Iraq and ensure Hussein's death. That is what I believe on this topic.
    Great insight on the subject. Your theory is backed up by Richard Clarke who has stated that GW wanted to "get Saddam" from his 1st day in office. According to him, in early 2001 Bush also said he did not want to hear Bin Laden's name and ordered Clarke to find a way to invade Iraq instead of pursuing Alqeada . The rest is history.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No where near 100,000 were killed when Saddam used the weapons we gave him for his war with Iran against the Kurds. The homicidal nut was GW Bush

    The attack killed between 3,200 and 5,000 people, and injured around 7,000 to 10,000 more, most of them civilians;[1][2] thousands more died of complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack.[3] The incident, which has been officially defined as an act of genocide against the Kurdish people in Iraq,[4] was and still remains the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.[5]

    Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Are we going to count the approximate one and a half million or so killed or wounded in the Iran-Iraq War? Poison gas was used there too.

    The war, of course, started by Saddam.
    Wiki:
    The Iran–Iraq War was extremely costly in lives and material, one of the deadliest wars since World War II[citation needed]. Both countries were devastated by the effect of the war. It cost Iran an estimated 1 million casualties, killed or wounded, and Iranians continue to suffer and die as a consequence of Iraq's use of chemical weapons[citation needed]. Iraqi casualties are estimated at 250,000–500,000 killed or wounded. Thousands of civilians died on both sides in air raids and ballistic missile attacks.[155]
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

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    The USA was spreading democracy
    The USA OIL corporatocracy was acquiring assets
    Saddam was a big threat and had to be taken out
    none of the above

    I do not believe that the US went to war for any 1 of these reasons. We may have gone to war for several of these together or even other reasons. Democracy, fighting terror abroad, waking giant syndrome, oil/economy, perceived threat, world political posturing, cover-up, profit - a lot of factors made it possible and potentially desirable. To think that there was one conspiracy theorist's reason is, respectfully, absurd.
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    Re: Iraq and OIL. What was the war about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The crazies would be the ones who killed over 100,000 Iraqis. That'd be mostly women and children just because of population demographics. That would identify the real threat or crazy leader.
    Ah, so this is one of those "Bush is a war criminal" bitch threads then. Carry on.

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