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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You think it is "stupid" to be aware that the cold war ended almost 30 years ago now? Uh...
    And the Russian's can't change their minds then?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And the Russian's can't change their minds then?
    Sure, anything is possible. Canada could decide to attack us tomorrow. But that certainly isn't the likeliest scenario to worry about. The scenario of a Russian nuke getting stolen is infinitely more of a threat. I'm starting to suspect some of you guys saw Red Dawn too many times growing up...

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yes... You're not exactly a history buff eh? Many people say the main reason we dropped atomic bombs on Japan was to warn off the USSR. Some of our generals wanted to continue WWII by attacking the USSR.
    What people say that? I am in fact a history buff and i have never heard anything like that. Why exactly would we give the USSR nuclear technology if they are the ones we were warning off in the first place? Granted the US was wary of them from the beginning, but i fail to see the logic in giving them the very technology that we were trying to warn them with in the first place? And im pretty sure the main reason we dropped the a bomb on Japan was because we were at war with them...

    So even in your anti-Russian mentality, you would rather they have NUKES than DEFENSIVE missiles? Uh....
    They already have nukes and they arent going to give them all up, so its not an issue of "what would i rather".

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    They've reduced their arsenal by almost 97% so far, so yeah, I don't see any reason they won't continue. They won't go to zero I assume, but the risk is proportional to the number of nukes they have. 2,000 means many more facilities, personnel, transportation operations, etc, that could lead to a weapon being leaked than if they have a smaller number.

    Their biggest concern is that they don't want to give up the deterrence that nukes give them, same reason we don't want to give ours up. Giving them defensive technology that meets the same need in exchange for agreements to give up more nukes makes a lot of sense both for them and for us IMO.
    The logistical problem your describing is RUSSIA'S problem. They would most likely reduce their arsenal on their own if given the chance, but they have learned that if they put up a front, then the suckers in the USA will give them all kinds of treats in exchange for something they would have done anyway. Its in their own best interest to downsize. It was overkill to ever have that many nukes in the first place. The only reason they did was because they were trying to prove how much stronger they were than America. They could get rid of 99.9% of their arsenal and still be able to nuke the entire planet.

    You keep calling this DEFENSIVE technology, but in reality its a cutting edge missile system. How hard do you think it would be to take a defensive missile and retask it with a nuclear warhead? Not very.

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, because that's a fact. Our primary concern, by far, is that none of the Russian nukes slip into the hands of terrorists. So being able to inspect them and count them and check out the security and hold them accountable for all of them and make sure they're complying with all the agreements and whatnot is crucial.
    You make it sound as if Russia is the only source of nuclear material that terrorists would target? There are far easier targets they would go after first. North Korea for example has nuclear tech and they dont exactly have warm fuzzies when it comes to America and their allies. Pakistan has nukes, as well as israel (unconfirmed), and Iran is openly persuing the tech, and possibly already has it. Even if Russia got rid of every single nuke and started exporting teddy bears, it would not go very far to make America safer.

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    theoretically it is possible that some day we'll be launching ICBMs at Russia, although that is pretty far fetched, and they'll be able to block them because they have this defense system... It's 10,000 more likely that we'll face a threat from a soviet era nuclear bomb that was smuggled out of Russia. That's the real threat.
    So we should only be prepared for one threat at a time? We can focus on the threat of terrorism, but then we cant focus on any other possible threats?

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    What people say that? I am in fact a history buff and i have never heard anything like that.
    Patton for one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Why exactly would we give the USSR nuclear technology if they are the ones we were warning off in the first place? Granted the US was wary of them from the beginning, but i fail to see the logic in giving them the very technology that we were trying to warn them with in the first place?
    You're confused. We aren't giving them nuclear technology. The Aegis system is not nuclear, it is an anti-missle defense system from the 90s. The reason we're giving it to them is in exchange for them agreeing to reduce their stockpile of nukes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    You keep calling this DEFENSIVE technology, but in reality its a cutting edge missile system. How hard do you think it would be to take a defensive missile and retask it with a nuclear warhead? Not very.
    Aegis isn't a missile, it's a technology we use on boats to detect the exact location of incoming missiles. Then we just fire any standard surface to air missile at them. Regardless, the idea that Russia would somehow gain by trying to adapt a surface to air missile for use to deliver nukes is silly. They have ICBMs with rages like 8,000 miles and whatnot. A surface to air missile like we use with Aegis only have a range of like 80 miles. A surface to air missile is much smaller than an ICBM. Etc. But, again, Aegis isn't the missile technology, it's the detection technology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    You make it sound as if Russia is the only source of nuclear material that terrorists would target? There are far easier targets they would go after first. North Korea for example has nuclear tech and they dont exactly have warm fuzzies when it comes to America and their allies. Pakistan has nukes, as well as israel (unconfirmed), and Iran is openly persuing the tech, and possibly already has it.
    You should read up on it a bit. Russia had thousands of nukes at one point and has basically lost track of quite a few of them that nobody knows where they are. Places like North Korea have like 1 bomb that they are never going to part with in a million years. Lost or stolen Russian nukes is most definitely our biggest worry at the moment in terms of terrorists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    So we should only be prepared for one threat at a time? We can focus on the threat of terrorism, but then we cant focus on any other possible threats?
    No, but when the threats come up against one another we certainly give priority to the more likely one. In this case the threat from terrorism is far more likely than the threat of a war with Russia. And, regardless, this deal would DECREASE the threat of a war with Russia. Less nukes and more defensive tech makes them LESS of a threat...

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    "No...it's crazy".

    Bad idea.

    We're sharing technology with a state that has a history of sharing it's technology with enemies of our country? It's ridiculous. Russia is not a freaking ally.
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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    What these two nations should be doing is sharing knowledge.

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    What these two nations should be doing is sharing knowledge.
    And what knowledge does Russia have to share with us? They havent made any technological breakthroughs that have made news in my lifetime... Also, sharing knowledge, and sharing military technology, be it defensive or offensive, are two different things.

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