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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, I'm not. Last year (well, 2010), we scrubbed our missile defense commitments in eastern Europe and got diddly squat in return (the aforementioned treaty where we gave up our strategic primacy and Russia gave up . . .
    Lets get a link so I know what you're referring to.

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    I'm referring to the "New START" treaty.
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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm referring to the "New START" treaty.
    Well that doesn't make sense... Neither the US nor Russia is required to comply with the goals in that treaty until 2018, some I'm not sure why you think Russia breached it. Post a link. From a legit source though please.

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, that's not really the question though. I mean, all things being equal, should we give Russia military tech? No of course not. We shouldn't give anybody military tech for no reason. The question is whether we are safer with Russia having less nukes, but also this mediocre missile defense system from the 90s? Or are we safer with them having more nukes?

    IMO reducing the number of Russian nukes has to be our absolute top priority. Given the questionable security they seem to have for them, and given that only one stolen nuke getting into Al Qaeda's hands means bye-bye Manhattan, I don't even see this as a close call at all.
    I agree that we should do our best to denuclearize Russia. However, can we expect them to honor their agreements to do so? I highly doubt that they will ever get rid of their nuclear arsenal, and them only have 1 nuclear weapon is enough to put the world at jeopardy or for a terrorist group to target that nuke for theft (or if Russia ever wanted to they could sell it to them).
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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well that doesn't make sense... Neither the US nor Russia is required to comply with the goals in that treaty until 2018, some I'm not sure why you think Russia breached it. Post a link. From a legit source though please.
    Where did I say they "breached" it? And what difference does it make when it takes effect?
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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I agree that we should do our best to denuclearize Russia. However, can we expect them to honor their agreements to do so? I highly doubt that they will ever get rid of their nuclear arsenal, and them only have 1 nuclear weapon is enough to put the world at jeopardy or for a terrorist group to target that nuke for theft (or if Russia ever wanted to they could sell it to them).
    They've reduced their arsenal by almost 97% so far, so yeah, I don't see any reason they won't continue. They won't go to zero I assume, but the risk is proportional to the number of nukes they have. 2,000 means many more facilities, personnel, transportation operations, etc, that could lead to a weapon being leaked than if they have a smaller number.

    Their biggest concern is that they don't want to give up the deterrence that nukes give them, same reason we don't want to give ours up. Giving them defensive technology that meets the same need in exchange for agreements to give up more nukes makes a lot of sense both for them and for us IMO.
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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Where did I say they "breached" it? And what difference does it make when it takes effect?
    So what is your issue then?

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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So what is your issue then?
    I already told you. It's a ****ty treaty which requires us to give up our primacy (as well as the missile defense commitments in eastern Europe) while the Russians give up squat.

    So, I have no reason to think the Russians are going to give us anything meaningful for our Aegis tech. It's a really dumb thing to do.
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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I already told you. It's a ****ty treaty which requires us to give up our primacy (as well as the missile defense commitments in eastern Europe) while the Russians give up squat.

    So, I have no reason to think the Russians are going to give us anything meaningful for our Aegis tech. It's a really dumb thing to do.
    Uh... So in your opinion we gave up more than we got out of that treaty, so somehow you think they won't honor future agreements, even though they are honoring that one? That doesn't make sense.

    Anyways, it isn't really true that we gave more than we got out of that treaty. That's just the usual banter of right wing pundits. We got a ton of out of it. Huge expansion of inspection rights and whatnot, which is really what we're most interested in with regards to Russia. But they also are having to cut their number of warheads by half and lots of other stuff.
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    Re: US willing to share Aegis missile tech with Russia - good idea?

    No, we absolutely should not be sharing military technology with Russia while they are sponsoring rogue states and enemies of the American people. I've got no problem sharing tech in general-- progress for everyone is progress for us-- but not with people who conspire with our enemies.

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