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Thread: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Run that past me again. A Senator will have a staff of 100? What for? Assuming a (very low) $30,000 average salary, that's 10,000 people, costing $300,000,000 just to service members of the Senate??? Are they paid for from the public purse, in which case... wtf? Or from the Senators themselves which either means you have to be very wealthy (plutocracy, or what?) to keep a staff costing $3,000,000 a year, or from campaign contributions, in which case half of that 100 staff are going to be spending their working lives fund-raising... in order that they can be paid... to fund raise!

    What am I missing here?
    What you're missing is that Senators don't actually have a staff of 100.

    According to this study, it's 35, including staff working in offices back home (often several offices to cover the whole state).

    http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wys...CRS-98-340.pdf

    Campaign staff are entirely different, and aren't paid by tax funds.
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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    The problem isn't that we don't have good people. The problem is that they have competing interests and ideologies, so compromise is hard. And they are more polarized than they used to be. Not many moderates left to bridge the gap and get something done. That's why Boehner can hardly get anything done - he's got Democrats on one side, and Tea Partiers on the other, and either group has enough votes to tear down a compromise, and it's hard to find a compromise to please both.
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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What you're missing is that Senators don't actually have a staff of 100.

    According to this study, it's 35, including staff working in offices back home (often several offices to cover the whole state).
    I'm not great at maths, but still sounds like 3,500 people, costing at least $100,000,000 to service ordinary members of the Senate. What about the average Representative's staff? Your attachment says 15. That's 6,525 staff and $195,750,000. That's almost a third of a billion dollars your congress is costing, just for personal services to members. Doesn't that sound a little excessive, or even decadent?
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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm not great at maths, but still sounds like 3,500 people, costing at least $100,000,000 to service ordinary members of the Senate. What about the average Representative's staff? Your attachment says 15. That's 6,525 staff and $195,750,000. That's almost a third of a billion dollars your congress is costing, just for personal services to members. Doesn't that sound a little excessive, or even decadent?
    Well...it's not really "personal service". It's not like the staffers are feeding them grapes and fanning them. They are normally the ones that are helping write bill language, interpreting the thousands of reports that come in to congressmen. I mean, if anybody works in a leader ship position they know the amount of studies/reports/papers they have to wade through are crazy. Multiply that by a 1,000 when you have every interest group sending you things, every government organization etc.

    Those guys don't necessarily walk in and vote on stuff.
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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm not great at maths, but still sounds like 3,500 people, costing at least $100,000,000 to service ordinary members of the Senate. What about the average Representative's staff? Your attachment says 15. That's 6,525 staff and $195,750,000. That's almost a third of a billion dollars your congress is costing, just for personal services to members. Doesn't that sound a little excessive, or even decadent?
    No. It's service to the people, not just to the members of Congress. Much of it is constituent services - helping people back home get through the bureaucracy or whatever.
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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No. It's service to the people, not just to the members of Congress.
    You think that's a third of a billion dollars per year well spent, do you?
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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You think that's a third of a billion dollars per year well spent, do you?
    There are 300 billion people in America. So that's not much money per person.
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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    But, even putting that aside, we have a whole process of elections. The people in office are the ones that we thought would be the best at it out of an entire country of 311 million people.
    WRONG.

    The people in office are the ones that RAN FOR OFFICE. These people have characteristics that are not always good.

    Charismatic yet vain.
    Shallow and appeasing.
    Greedy.
    Power seeking.
    People pleaser's instead of problem solvers.
    Feelings of Entitlement.
    Rich (so not in touch with the people.)
    I could go on...

    And the people are not bitching because they do or do not have any of the skills you mentioned, many of which are completely irrelevant to voting on an issue and represent the very issue that people are disgusted with anyway (big partisan entrenched government), but that average people can see an issue and have a valid opinion and/or make a valid and often times BETTER decision than the greedy, power seeking, charismatic yet vain and rich politician that they had to vote for because to vote for the opponent was to vote for the exact same type of person just carrying a slightly different message.

    A crock of **** and a total joke...
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    Re: Could we replace the entire Congress with DP members and get better results?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    There are 300 billion people in America. So that's not much money per person.
    I think you might want to revise your population estimate down by a factor of 1,000. There are 300 million Americans. That's $1 per person per year. That's quite a lot.
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