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  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

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  • Legalize it through a federal law

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    How should the government deal with it? As of now they pour lots of money into enforcing laws against it, and the use of it is still widespread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    How should the government deal with it? As of now they pour lots of money into enforcing laws against it, and the use of it is still widespread.
    It would help if I knew what it was... did you mean "Marijuana?" First, it helps to understand the history of Hemp, which basically made Marijuana illegal - we have the robber barrons of textiles in the early 1900's to thank for that. However drug use will not decrease with laws, it just pushes underground. It would be better to legalize both hemp and marijuana and have it controlled under the FDA. One has to understand human nature - the more people say "don't use this thing" the more people want to know why we shouldn't use it. If it were available and not illegal, yes people would still use it but the mystery of it would dwindle. There will always be abusers of everything/anything so no change there.

    My view is make all drugs legal - meth, heroin, X, new designer drugs. Just cut off the federal tax dollars for detox. If people want to use drugs, get addicted to drugs let them - their assets will be used to detoxify them and get them clean and if they have no assets, they go into a federal program which then taxes their estate or garnishes their future wages to pay off the debt. One federal detox per person - after that their on their own.


    See that's why drugs are illegal - the government is scared ****less that people will become drug addicts en masse and we'll have dead and dying people all over the streets. The government couldn't let that happen so hospitals and doctors would be overwhelmed with the alleged addicts and who would pay for it but the taxpayers. That would cause a **** storm and government would get their asses handed to them because taxes and detox welfare programs would pop up all over. However, the truth is that probably wouldn't happen that way at all - it would probably decrease the amount of drug use in America. it's a gamble, one that our government doesn't want to take.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Marijuna

    Legalize it all and put in place laws laterally to alcohol use. Must be 18, don't operate a car, public use limited, etc.

    Allow the private sector to act accordingly - businesses can exclude employment over its use, insurance companies can refuse to cover you over its use, etc. If you want to do drugs and fully understand what it entails, more power to you.

    However, if you snort a line of coke and your heart stops, you'd be better off left for dead.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    How should the government deal with it? As of now they pour lots of money into enforcing laws against it, and the use of it is still widespread.
    Marijuana, as well as all other recreational drugs, should be legalized.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It would help if I knew what it was... did you mean "Marijuana?" First, it helps to understand the history of Hemp, which basically made Marijuana illegal - we have the robber barrons of textiles in the early 1900's to thank for that. However drug use will not decrease with laws, it just pushes underground. It would be better to legalize both hemp and marijuana and have it controlled under the FDA. One has to understand human nature - the more people say "don't use this thing" the more people want to know why we shouldn't use it. If it were available and not illegal, yes people would still use it but the mystery of it would dwindle. There will always be abusers of everything/anything so no change there.

    My view is make all drugs legal - meth, heroin, X, new designer drugs. Just cut off the federal tax dollars for detox. If people want to use drugs, get addicted to drugs let them - their assets will be used to detoxify them and get them clean and if they have no assets, they go into a federal program which then taxes their estate or garnishes their future wages to pay off the debt. One federal detox per person - after that their on their own.


    See that's why drugs are illegal - the government is scared ****less that people will become drug addicts en masse and we'll have dead and dying people all over the streets. The government couldn't let that happen so hospitals and doctors would be overwhelmed with the alleged addicts and who would pay for it but the taxpayers. That would cause a **** storm and government would get their asses handed to them because taxes and detox welfare programs would pop up all over. However, the truth is that probably wouldn't happen that way at all - it would probably decrease the amount of drug use in America. it's a gamble, one that our government doesn't want to take.
    I'm with you until the rehabilitation part.

    Addiction is a mental illness. It is not uncommon for it to require several rounds of treatment and rehabilitation - for ANY mental illness - before permanent wellness is established. While it's easy to say they "did it to themselves," and in most cases (but not all) that's true, it's ultimately detrimental to society to either let them languish or keep them in indentured servitude for possibly decades.

    In addition, a lot of people who develop addictions have a pre-existing mental health problem. And oftentimes they turn to drugs after the mental health system has failed them - an unfortunately common occurrence. How exactly do you deal with that ethically and from a care standpoint?

    This begins to expand into other problems we have like the insane cost of health care. Truth is, most people can't afford any healthcare at all without insurance in this country. It's too expensive. It's the most expensive in the world. Expecting an addict to be able to shell that out when even most well-off middle class people can't is insane, and it is essentially condemning them for life.

    In addition, the gobsmacking inadequacy of our mental health resources. A lot of addicts are self-medicating because they haven't been able to get decent care. Sometimes for money reasons, and sometimes because the programs either don't exist or were badly implemented.

    I think harm reduction programs need to be expanded. I think we need affordable and universal health care. I think we need to work harder at caring for the mentally ill in a comprehensive way.

    As you said, it is unlikely that legalizing drugs will increase abuse in the long run (though we may experience a short-term rise - worth it for the eventual outcome, in my opinion). And it is still true now that most people choose to do the drugs they become addicted to. So why would it be any different or any less affordable than it is now? It could be drastically more affordable if we fixed our healthcare system. A drop in the bucket.
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    Re: Marijuna

    complete legalization, nationwide
    seeds sold commercially, and privately grown next to the tomatoes in gardens
    sold in gas stations to adults as Marlboro's first product that might not kill you.

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    Re: Marijuna

    We should keep it illegal and enforce drug laws more intensely. I think as far as punishment goes though we shouldn't be throwing violators in jail (unless it's serious). We should focus on rehabilitation and make them pay heavy fines.
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    Legalised, taxed and regulated.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Legalize it through changing it's Schedule classification. We don't need a federal law just to say something is legal again.

    Furthermore, stop criminalizing addiction. Drug addiction is a medical issue, not a criminal one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I'm with you until the rehabilitation part.

    Addiction is a mental illness. It is not uncommon for it to require several rounds of treatment and rehabilitation - for ANY mental illness - before permanent wellness is established. While it's easy to say they "did it to themselves," and in most cases (but not all) that's true, it's ultimately detrimental to society to either let them languish or keep them in indentured servitude for possibly decades.
    If addiction is an illness its safe to say that people who have this mental illness either are already addicted, or are already being treated for their mental illness for tobacco, alcohol, perscription drugs or illegal drugs or --- other things like nymphomania, over eating etc. If you characterize drug addition as a mental illness (which I don't agree with) there is already methods to treat mental illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    In addition, a lot of people who develop addictions have a pre-existing mental health problem. And oftentimes they turn to drugs after the mental health system has failed them - an unfortunately common occurrence. How exactly do you deal with that ethically and from a care standpoint?
    If they have pre-existing addictions and as you previously ascribed, are mentally ill and have been diagnosed as such (one would assume so if it's pre-existing) then these individuals are already being treated with legal prescription drugs. If the mental health system failed them? More like, they failed in their treatment. I would deal with them exactly as I've stated... for example, Bob has been bi-polar since he was 16 (now 35) and has been under physician care but decides he does not want to take his medication any more as he feels it's not making him better. He decides he's going to self medicate with heroin - get's addicted and now is a bi-polar heroin addict... he would be detoxed once under federal guidelines as I've stated, put back under his mental health doctors care, and told he must take his previous medication. If he decided again, NOT to take his medication for bi-polar disorder and again moves back to heroin, he's on his own. Ethically, the state and society has taken care of this man - they've cleaned him up at no cost to him, provided him housing, medication to kick heroin, counseling, a program and put him back into the mental health system such that he can be a valued part of society. If he REJECTS such ovations and decides he doesn't like it - Ethically I'm fine with him living and dying in the gutter. That probably wouldn't happen and if say this goes on for another 3 or 4 times, I would garnish the mans wages and put him in debt to the government such that any money he makes the rest of his life will go towards paying off that debt until it's paid off in full. My way gives everyone 1 shot to **** up and gives everyone a get out of drug addition free card. My conscious can certainly live with that just fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    This begins to expand into other problems we have like the insane cost of health care. Truth is, most people can't afford any healthcare at all without insurance in this country. It's too expensive. It's the most expensive in the world. Expecting an addict to be able to shell that out when even most well-off middle class people can't is insane, and it is essentially condemning them for life.
    It's too expensive because it's not insurance, it's a payment plan. If it were insurance, you'd only use it when big health issues occur. We use "insurance" today for everything - therefore it ceases to be "insurance". When our healthcare system actually WAS insurance our healthcare system was much less expensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    In addition, the gobsmacking inadequacy of our mental health resources. A lot of addicts are self-medicating because they haven't been able to get decent care. Sometimes for money reasons, and sometimes because the programs either don't exist or were badly implemented.

    I think harm reduction programs need to be expanded. I think we need affordable and universal health care. I think we need to work harder at caring for the mentally ill in a comprehensive way.
    I don't disagree - but I also don't see a way to get those things by making drugs all legal, and providing free detox forever for addicts who cannot control themselves whether it's due to mental illness or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    As you said, it is unlikely that legalizing drugs will increase abuse in the long run (though we may experience a short-term rise - worth it for the eventual outcome, in my opinion). And it is still true now that most people choose to do the drugs they become addicted to. So why would it be any different or any less affordable than it is now? It could be drastically more affordable if we fixed our healthcare system. A drop in the bucket.
    I don't think it will necessarily rise in the general population but I think it will rise in certain parts of the population... It will be less affordable if government, out of pity, charges those who are NOT addicts more for care to make up for the recidivist addicts who continue to make the same mistakes over and over. I'm advocating some tough love here --- you get one free detox - after that you're on your own. I don't see the downside and while it may sound very harsh and callous, it will to some extent remove the damaged individuals from the gene pool such that the genetic prevalence of such an addictive behavior is less in the future.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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