View Poll Results: How should Marijuana be dealt with?

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  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

    13 10.83%
  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    39 32.50%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    52 43.33%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

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    Re: Marijuna

    Legalize. Tax. Regulate.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Decriminalize it. If it were legalized, it would be heavily taxed. And more expensive.
    Actually it would probably be less expensive than buying from drug dealers because once it becomes legal the price goes down. Plus decriminalizing it doesn't have the benefits of taking away the funds from criminal organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I'm with you until the rehabilitation part.

    Addiction is a mental illness. It is not uncommon for it to require several rounds of treatment and rehabilitation - for ANY mental illness - before permanent wellness is established. While it's easy to say they "did it to themselves," and in most cases (but not all) that's true, it's ultimately detrimental to society to either let them languish or keep them in indentured servitude for possibly decades.

    In addition, a lot of people who develop addictions have a pre-existing mental health problem. And oftentimes they turn to drugs after the mental health system has failed them - an unfortunately common occurrence. How exactly do you deal with that ethically and from a care standpoint?

    This begins to expand into other problems we have like the insane cost of health care. Truth is, most people can't afford any healthcare at all without insurance in this country. It's too expensive. It's the most expensive in the world. Expecting an addict to be able to shell that out when even most well-off middle class people can't is insane, and it is essentially condemning them for life.

    In addition, the gobsmacking inadequacy of our mental health resources. A lot of addicts are self-medicating because they haven't been able to get decent care. Sometimes for money reasons, and sometimes because the programs either don't exist or were badly implemented.

    I think harm reduction programs need to be expanded. I think we need affordable and universal health care. I think we need to work harder at caring for the mentally ill in a comprehensive way.

    As you said, it is unlikely that legalizing drugs will increase abuse in the long run (though we may experience a short-term rise - worth it for the eventual outcome, in my opinion). And it is still true now that most people choose to do the drugs they become addicted to. So why would it be any different or any less affordable than it is now? It could be drastically more affordable if we fixed our healthcare system. A drop in the bucket.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Legalize it and tax it. The harm it causes is minor, and it simply isn't worth the money and effort to enforce laws against it. I do not feel the same about all drugs though.
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    Re: Marijuna

    legalize it, as well as other drugs. These so called "controlled substances" are not controlled at all, instead prohibition has ceded control to an unscrupulous criminal black market.. precisely the ones who should NOT be in control. It makes absolutely no sense.

    a few comments on some of the posts or points made in this thread:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    Legalize it but...

    I don't think it'll ever become legal on the federal level.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government given any authority whatsoever regarding marijuana. Therefore, per the Tenth Amendment, this is a matter for the states. If one state wishes to legalize it, then that state has that authority, and the federal government has no authority to interfere.* Likewise, if another state wants to criminalize it, with severe penalties for its possession and use, then again, this is that state's right, and the federal government has no authority to interfere.

    If we want to make it legal or illegal under federal law, then the only legitimate way to do this is to amend the Constitution, as was done with the Eighteenth Amendment in 1919 regarding alcohol.
    If it were to become legal on a federal level it would require either a constitutional amendment, or reneging on the Single Convention on Narcotic Substances and its sister treaties -treaties the US used a fairly heavy hand in order to push onto the rest of the world. The Single Convention is binding unless every one of the 180+ signator countries agree to back out of it, so reniging is not a viable option.

    The best that can be done under this treaty is decriminalization (what countries such as Holland and Portugal have done). Legalization is not allowed.. unless there is a constitutional conflict.

    Here is the relative section:
    Quote Originally Posted by single convention on narcotic substances
    Article 36: PENAL PROVISIONS

    1. (a) Subject to its constitutional limitations, each Party shall adopt such measures as will ensure that cultivation, production, manufacture, extraction, preparation, possession, offering, offering for sale, distribution, purchase... ...of drugs contrary to the provisions of this Convention, and any other action which in the opinion of such Party may be contrary to the provisions of this Convention, shall be punishable offences when committed intentionally, and that serious offences shall be liable to adequate punishment particularly by imprisonment or other penalties of deprivation of liberty.
    Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs - Wikisource

    So yes, aside from a Constitutional amendment, making it legal on a Federal level would be extremely difficult, and very unlikely, the best that can be feasibly done here while bound by this treaty is decriminalization. and this does nothing in regards to the real problem of black market distribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Decriminalize it. If it were legalized, it would be heavily taxed. And more expensive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Actually it would probably be less expensive than buying from drug dealers because once it becomes legal the price goes down. Plus decriminalizing it doesn't have the benefits of taking away the funds from criminal organizations.
    Your Star touched on a few valid points in her response to you evanesence, but I want to bring up anther point. If legalization was to work it would necessitate reducing the scope of the black market, and this in turn would necessitate selling an equivalent or better product at cheaper costs. There is no way to do this without undercutting the black market prices, and drastically reducing their presence in the market.

    There is ample room to manufacture, regulate, tax and distribute the product while still undercutting the inflated prices seen in the black market. It is crucial that a balance between greed for tax dollars and a hefty reduction of the scope of the black market is attained. So no, it will not be more expensive, because if it is it will not work, there would be no way to out-compete the already established (black) markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rosie1 View Post
    I'm not a user, but in those I know who use, I do not see the "gateway" to other drugs that was the big scare tactic used by the feds for years..
    The gateway theory is a myth, or at least the perception that it is the drug itself that is the gateway is grossly inaccurate. In the 90's The ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) was pushing hard on this gateway hypothesis, they even commissioned a report from the IOM (Institute of Medicine) the following are direct quotes from the report they commissioned:

    In January 1997, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) asked the Institute of Medicine to conduct a review of the scientific evidence to assess the potential health benefits and risks of marijuana and its constituent cannabinoids. That review began in August 1997 and culminates with this report.
    The fear that marijuana use might cause, as opposed to merely precede, the use of drugs that are more harmful of great concern. Judging from comments submitted to the IOM study team, this appears to be an even greater concern than the harms directly related to marijuana itself.
    the section of this report on whether or not marijuana is a gateway drug (sect. 3.21) concludes with this:

    ... ... it is the legal status of marijuana that makes it a gateway drug.
    Marijuana as Medicine - Assessing the Science Base - Institute of Medicine Report

    Unfortunately prior to this report the ONDCP pushed this whole gateway thing very hard and there was an abundance of propaganda pushing marijuana itself as a gateway drug, but when the study the ONDCP sanctioned concluded that it was the legal status that was the gateway the public heard little to nothing of it, and as a result the gateway BS continues to this day.
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    Re: Marijuana

    Pot makes you lazy, paranoid and confused, then you vote Dem.

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    Re: Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Pot makes you lazy, paranoid and confused, then you vote Dem.
    LOL...smdh man.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It should be legalized, period.
    Exactly. Prohibition NEVER works. History has shown us that over and over and over again. All prohibition does is create global crime syndicates, along with all the death and destruction rival syndicates wreak in their greedy attempt to protect their own turf and take over somebody else's.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Decriminalize it. If it were legalized, it would be heavily taxed. And more expensive.
    Not if you grow it yourself or get it from where it is not heavily taxed.A dark five gallon bucket, an aquairum air pump,net mesh basket, grow rocks, and some grow big and bloom hydroponic solutions, a good source of light and you can grow your own.
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    Re: Marijuna

    You must legalize it through the Fed. CA has decriminalized pot but the Fed will not honor that. It has to come from the top down.

    I agree that criminalization isn't about mind alteration. After all, alcohol has worse effects than pot - it incites people to be violent, unconscious, and it shuts down dopamine receptors in the brain. No, criminalization is about keeping hemp illegal, which would cut out many other industries.

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