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Marijuana

How should Marijuana be dealt with?

  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

    Votes: 7 7.2%
  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    Votes: 32 33.0%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    Votes: 42 43.3%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

    Votes: 16 16.5%

  • Total voters
    97
Re: Marijuna

LOL. Any child of mine would be BEGGING the cops to hold onto them, if they were ever caught with Pot on them. They'd by 1000 times more scared of ME than of the police in that sort of situation. Then again, I turned in a college roommate for possession of marijuana during my freshman year in college and got him expelled.

i know, you've already bragged about it in several threads. not sure what kind of a response it is that you're hoping for.
 
Re: Marijuna

Essentially harmless by your viewpoint. I think instead of putting offenders in jail we should fine them heavily to help fund their rehabilitation and correctional proceedings.

If you smoke weed, you don't need rehabilitation...

Tell me do you think the government should fine alcholics and force them to go to rehab? Or fine people for smoking because it's bad for them?

Because might I remind you that alcohol and tobacco are more addictive then marijuana which actually registers pretty low on the addiction scale.

I use to smoke weed, and well... I'm fine, I have a steady job, I support myself... and guess what? I'm not a criminal.
 
Re: Marijuna

If you smoke weed, you don't need rehabilitation...

Tell me do you think the government should fine alcholics and force them to go to rehab? Or fine people for smoking because it's bad for them?

Because might I remind you that alcohol and tobacco are more addictive then marijuana which actually registers pretty low on the addiction scale.

I use to smoke weed, and well... I'm fine, I have a steady job, I support myself... and guess what? I'm not a criminal.

I think if someone is an alcoholic they should be sent to rehab, yes. We already "fine" people for smoking through increased taxes on cigarettes.

I can't support legalizing marijuana or any more psychoactive substances for recreational use. I don't think we should jail people for it, but we should fine them heavily. There is no reason behind legalizing weed and allowing another psychoactive substance to be used at will.
 
Re: Marijuna

I think if someone is an alcoholic they should be sent to rehab, yes.
Just out of curiosity, who should (not does but should) pay for rehab in your opinion?
 
Re: Marijuna

Well that's different.

It is (or at least WAS) a very different type of school. No liberal arts program. Few general studies courses. Everything was focused on your major (which you had to declare by the end of your first trimester there). Most people declared their majors on the initial application. It was much more career and job oriented than most other schools. More like a tech school than anything else. If you didn't know what you wanted to do, and weren't really dedicated to doing it, Johnson & Wales University wasn't the place for you.


i know, you've already bragged about it in several threads. not sure what kind of a response it is that you're hoping for.

I'm not seeking any particular reaction. Just stating the truth.
 
Re: Marijuna

but we should fine them heavily.

But WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

It makes no sense.

Weed is harmless. You don't hurt anyone when you smoke it, or ingest it for that matter, why punish people for doing no harm to anyone?
 
Re: Marijuna

Addiction is well-established as a mental illness.

I'd defer to captain on this, but I don't believe this is true...

SOME addiction is absolutely a mental illness. Other forms of addition are physical in nature, not mental, and relate to the item being used and the properties of said thing.

Stuff that causes PHSYICAL, not mental addiction, can often LEAD to mental addiction especially in those with a predisposition for mental addiction...but ALL addiction is not inherently mental to my undrestanding.
 
Re: Marijuna

Not only shouldn't it be allowed to become legal, consumable alcohol and tobacco should be made illegal as well. There is no need for any of those products.

I disagree with you 100%, but I'll give you credit for one of the few people I've ever seen who, upon first comment, came out completely consistent on this matter.
 
Re: Marijuna

Weed is harmless. You don't hurt anyone when you smoke it, or ingest it for that matter, why punish people for doing no harm to anyone?

Tell that to the families of the six Worcster, MA firefighters who died in the Worcester Cold Storage Warehouse fire on the night of December 3, 1999. that fire was unintentionally lit by a pair of dope smoking, homeless, wastes of flesh and oxygen who didn't even bother to report the fire when they left the building. 5 hours later six Worcester firefighters lost their lives when the building collapsed whild they were looking for those same two homeless people (who weren't even there). So please do not ever try to tell me that marijuana is "harmless".
 
Re: Marijuna

Tell that to the families of the six Worcster, MA firefighters who died in the Worcester Cold Storage Warehouse fire on the night of December 3, 1999. that fire was unintentionally lit by a pair of dope smoking, homeless, wastes of flesh and oxygen who didn't even bother to report the fire when they left the building. 5 hours later six Worcester firefighters lost their lives when the building collapsed whild they were looking for those same two homeless people (who weren't even there). So please do not ever try to tell me that marijuana is "harmless".

So you're saying Marijuana convinced those two guys to light the building on fire intentionally.

There's so many things wrong with that logic its difficult to begin listing them.
 
Re: Marijuna

There is no good reason behind legalizing it. Keep it illegal and crack down on pot use. Prosecute the states that break federal law and "legalize it" for "medical use."

Saving money regarding the amount of time and energy in enforcing, prosecuting, and rehabbing with regards to the drug laws we have would be a "good reason" in my mind.

Freeing police resources, including funds and man power, from dealing with drug use to other crimes more directly impacting other people is a "good reason" in my mind.

Whittling away at the notion that the government needs to have a say on what I do in my private life to myself is a "good reason" in my mind.

Reducing the money being funneled into violent groups and organizations who thrive on the black market nature of the substances is a "Good reason" in my mind.
 
Re: Marijuna

So you're saying Marijuana convinced those two guys to light the building on fire intentionally.

There's so many things wrong with that logic its difficult to begin listing them.

No. These two individuals ADMITTED that they were high on the crap when one of them accidentally kicked over a candle and lit a pile of dirty clothes on fire. See, these two wastes of flesh and oxygen were squatting in the abandoned Worcester Cold Storage Warehouse because neither of their families would take them in until they decided to get clean and make something out of their lives. Neither one of them (him in his mid to late 30's and her in her late teens) was willing to do that. They tried to put the fire out but it got too big for them to handle, so they left the building. They walked past 3 fire call boxes between the Warehouse and the Mall where they decided to spend the afternoon, hoping the fire would burn itself out. Before they went back, the blaze reached the size to begin sending smoke out the top of the building. When the first fire companies arrived, the owner of a local diner informed them that there were 2 known squatters living in the building who had been seen going INTO the building that morning but hadn't been seen coming out. The first two rescuemen got lost trying to find their way through the near-windowless building. The other four went in looking for their comrades. None of them ever came out again, alive. When the two squatters were found, they admitted to being afraid to call the fire department because they felt they'd get in trouble... not because of the squatting but because they were hight on marijuana at the time. So please don't tell me this was not related to their disgusting habit.
 
Re: Marijuna

No. These two individuals ADMITTED that they were high on the crap when one of them accidentally kicked over a candle and lit a pile of dirty clothes on fire. See, these two wastes of flesh and oxygen were squatting in the abandoned Worcester Cold Storage Warehouse because neither of their families would take them in until they decided to get clean and make something out of their lives. Neither one of them (him in his mid to late 30's and her in her late teens) was willing to do that. They tried to put the fire out but it got too big for them to handle, so they left the building. They walked past 3 fire call boxes between the Warehouse and the Mall where they decided to spend the afternoon, hoping the fire would burn itself out. Before they went back, the blaze reached the size to begin sending smoke out the top of the building. When the first fire companies arrived, the owner of a local diner informed them that there were 2 known squatters living in the building who had been seen going INTO the building that morning but hadn't been seen coming out. The first two rescuemen got lost trying to find their way through the near-windowless building. The other four went in looking for their comrades. None of them ever came out again, alive. When the two squatters were found, they admitted to being afraid to call the fire department because they felt they'd get in trouble... not because of the squatting but because they were hight on marijuana at the time. So please don't tell me this was not related to their disgusting habit.

TL;DR

Mate I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

Are you saying that if I smoke weed I will burn down a building and kill people?

Strange because I have smoked weed (a lot of it) in the past and the only thing I ever burned while high was... more weed :lol:

You have zero argument here. The fact that they smoked weed had nothing to do with them burning down the building.
 
Re: Marijuna

No. These two individuals ADMITTED that they were high on the crap when one of them accidentally kicked over a candle and lit a pile of dirty clothes on fire. See, these two wastes of flesh and oxygen were squatting in the abandoned Worcester Cold Storage Warehouse because neither of their families would take them in until they decided to get clean and make something out of their lives. Neither one of them (him in his mid to late 30's and her in her late teens) was willing to do that. They tried to put the fire out but it got too big for them to handle, so they left the building. They walked past 3 fire call boxes between the Warehouse and the Mall where they decided to spend the afternoon, hoping the fire would burn itself out. Before they went back, the blaze reached the size to begin sending smoke out the top of the building. When the first fire companies arrived, the owner of a local diner informed them that there were 2 known squatters living in the building who had been seen going INTO the building that morning but hadn't been seen coming out. The first two rescuemen got lost trying to find their way through the near-windowless building. The other four went in looking for their comrades. None of them ever came out again, alive. When the two squatters were found, they admitted to being afraid to call the fire department because they felt they'd get in trouble... not because of the squatting but because they were hight on marijuana at the time. So please don't tell me this was not related to their disgusting habit.

So by this story, and your logic if it was legal, and they didn't have to worry about getting in trouble, they probably would have reported the fire. So your in favor of legalization yes?
 
Re: Marijuna

TL;DR

Mate I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

Are you saying that if I smoke weed I will burn down a building and kill people?

Strange because I have smoked weed (a lot of it) in the past and the only thing I ever burned while high was... more weed :lol:

You have zero argument here. The fact that they smoked weed had nothing to do with them burning down the building.

Weird, the only thing I think about is cookies haha.
 
Re: Marijuna

No. These two individuals ADMITTED that they were high on the crap when one of them accidentally kicked over a candle and lit a pile of dirty clothes on fire. See, these two wastes of flesh and oxygen were squatting in the abandoned Worcester Cold Storage Warehouse because neither of their families would take them in until they decided to get clean and make something out of their lives. Neither one of them (him in his mid to late 30's and her in her late teens) was willing to do that. They tried to put the fire out but it got too big for them to handle, so they left the building. They walked past 3 fire call boxes between the Warehouse and the Mall where they decided to spend the afternoon, hoping the fire would burn itself out. Before they went back, the blaze reached the size to begin sending smoke out the top of the building. When the first fire companies arrived, the owner of a local diner informed them that there were 2 known squatters living in the building who had been seen going INTO the building that morning but hadn't been seen coming out. The first two rescuemen got lost trying to find their way through the near-windowless building. The other four went in looking for their comrades. None of them ever came out again, alive. When the two squatters were found, they admitted to being afraid to call the fire department because they felt they'd get in trouble... not because of the squatting but because they were hight on marijuana at the time. So please don't tell me this was not related to their disgusting habit.

their getting high had nothing to do with that outcome
their being AFRAID to alert the authorities because they were AFRAID they would get in trouble for having smoked marijuana had very much to do with the outcome
you have given us an anecdote which indicates yet another way in which criminalization of marijuana results in negative outcomes
 
Re: Marijuna

Mate I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Are you saying that if I smoke weed I will burn down a building and kill people? Strange because I have smoked weed (a lot of it) in the past and the only thing I ever burned while high was... more weed :lol: You have zero argument here. The fact that they smoked weed had nothing to do with them burning down the building.

Oh it had everything to do with them burning down the building. More importantly it had everything to do with them FAILING TO REPORT THE FIRE THAT THEY HAD STARTED. A FAILURE THAT ENDED UP GETTING 6 GOOD MEN KILLED. It would have been better if their worthless asses had roasted inside that building, instead.

My point, and the point I will always make in regards to this topic is that like alcohol, the use of marijuana places an individual in an altered mental state where they are no longer capable of making good, proper, and right decisions on a moments notice. THAT in and of itself should be enough to get the plant eradicated from the entire planet. That is also why the mere possession of the product should lead to an immediate death sentence, without trial. There is NO worthwhile medicinal or narcotic use for the plant. IF a version were capable of being produced that could make hemp without any chance of being converted back into a form that could be smoked, I'd be for allowing that. Otherwise, wipe it and all of its users off this planet and we'll be better off so far as I'm concerned.
 
Re: Marijuna

Remember I said the only thing I ever burned...

Thinking wise it's all about cookies and family guy :lol:

Damn I read that wrong.................. I promise I'm not high right now :mrgreen:
 
Re: Marijuna

Legalize it on a federal level, stop using taxpayer money to harass marijuana stores in states where it's legal to have them, regulate MJ like alcohol and tobacco, and tax it. It'll still be cheaper than street weed, safer too, and crime syndicates around the globe would crumble instantly.

Not necessarily so. There are many other means to keep said syndicates from crumbling, such as other illegal drugs, guns, and human trafficking.
 
Re: Marijuna

Oh it had everything to do with them burning down the building. More importantly it had everything to do with them FAILING TO REPORT THE FIRE THAT THEY HAD STARTED. A FAILURE THAT ENDED UP GETTING 6 GOOD MEN KILLED. It would have been better if their worthless asses had roasted inside that building, instead.

My point, and the point I will always make in regards to this topic is that like alcohol, the use of marijuana places an individual in an altered mental state where they are no longer capable of making good, proper, and right decisions on a moments notice. THAT in and of itself should be enough to get the plant eradicated from the entire planet. That is also why the mere possession of the product should lead to an immediate death sentence, without trial. There is NO worthwhile medicinal or narcotic use for the plant. IF a version were capable of being produced that could make hemp without any chance of being converted back into a form that could be smoked, I'd be for allowing that. Otherwise, wipe it and all of its users off this planet and we'll be better off so far as I'm concerned.

first of all, you have no point
second, you have no experience with that which you are condemning
third, i assure you that marijuana has wonderful medicinal properties
have been self medicating daily since 1971
 
Re: Marijuna

So by this story, and your logic if it was legal, and they didn't have to worry about getting in trouble, they probably would have reported the fire. So your in favor of legalization yes?

No. Not in the least. The fact that they were high is what caused the fire to begin with. The have stated that they were "fooling around" in that state when she accidentally kicked over the candle and they were not in a state of mind to be able to properly extinguish the fire before it spread beyond their ability to douse. If they hadn't had the marijuana the fire would likely never have started. If they'd been jailed (or better yet executed) during their prior marijuana related run ins with the law it never would have happened. If they had been willing to accept the responsibility for their actions (which they were not in their immoral state) the tragedy could have been averted.


their getting high had nothing to do with that outcome. their being AFRAID to alert the authorities because they were AFRAID they would get in trouble for having smoked marijuana had very much to do with the outcome. you have given us an anecdote which indicates yet another way in which criminalization of marijuana results in negative outcomes

No. What it shows is that these two mother****ers should have been jailed or shot the moment they were arrested for possession the first time and this would never have happened.
 
Re: Marijuna

Oh it had everything to do with them burning down the building. More importantly it had everything to do with them FAILING TO REPORT THE FIRE THAT THEY HAD STARTED. A FAILURE THAT ENDED UP GETTING 6 GOOD MEN KILLED. It would have been better if their worthless asses had roasted inside that building, instead.

My point, and the point I will always make in regards to this topic is that like alcohol, the use of marijuana places an individual in an altered mental state where they are no longer capable of making good, proper, and right decisions on a moments notice. THAT in and of itself should be enough to get the plant eradicated from the entire planet. That is also why the mere possession of the product should lead to an immediate death sentence, without trial. There is NO worthwhile medicinal or narcotic use for the plant. IF a version were capable of being produced that could make hemp without any chance of being converted back into a form that could be smoked, I'd be for allowing that. Otherwise, wipe it and all of its users off this planet and we'll be better off so far as I'm concerned.

I apologise to everyone except Tigger in this thread because I have to fully illustrate how stupid his argument is.

To sum up the idiocy of Tiggers post I can only think of one way to do it justice, and that is by summing it up with one visual image.

toilet.jpg
 
Re: Marijuna

first of all, you have no point. second, you have no experience with that which you are condemning. third, i assure you that marijuana has wonderful medicinal properties. have been self medicating daily since 1971

Oh, there's a point there. You just don't want to admit it. You're damn right I have no experience with it, nor will I ever. I have severe glaucoma and I will tell you this.... I'd rather be BLIND than take any THC-related treatment for it; just as my father turned down all THC-related pain medications while he was dying of cancer. His life and my sight are not more important than our Souls, thank you very much.
 
Re: Marijuna

I apologise to everyone except Tigger in this thread because I have to fully illustrate how stupid his argument is.

Yep. About what I expected. You realize that you have no reasonable, locical or decent arguement against what I said, so you devolve into toilet humor (literally) to attempt to distract from that fact. Nice.
 
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