View Poll Results: How should Marijuana be dealt with?

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  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

    13 10.83%
  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    39 32.50%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    52 43.33%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

    16 13.33%
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    So what ? Who is forcing you to smoke pot when you do not want to ?

    Care to take a stab at why anyone should restrict the personal freedom of another who is infringing on no one else ?
    Freedom and security are yin and yang forces that only work well when paired in dynamic balance.

    Those who are constantly screaming "Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!" .. are probably lacking in personal security.

    As to why any parent would want to keep their pre-teens and young teens from the scourage of a deadly drug like pot, got me by the sneakers.

    Seriously, though, I don't have all the answers; don't profess to.

    But this OP -- Street Pot Is Irrefutably Deadly -- has quite a few. Did you read it? What'd you think?
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Freedom and security are yin and yang forces that only work well when paired in dynamic balance.

    Those who are constantly screaming "Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!" .. are probably lacking in personal security.

    As to why any parent would want to keep their pre-teens and young teens from the scourage of a deadly drug like pot, got me by the sneakers.

    Seriously, though, I don't have all the answers; don't profess to.

    But this OP -- Street Pot Is Irrefutably Deadly -- has quite a few. Did you read it? What'd you think?
    As I said more than once. I think drug use is a bad choice. But it is most certainly not for me to legislate against your opportunities to make bad choices for yourself. Only to support legislation and enforcement to keep you from making bad choices for anyone but yourself.

    I think its folly, btw. And I am not advocating that kids can drink either.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    As I said more than once. I think drug use is a bad choice. I think its folly, btw. And I am not advocating that kids can drink either.
    Drug abuse is more than a bad "choice" -- it's a deadly unconscious compulsion .. or so I've read. Not everything we're told is a "choice" is. I mean, some people keep saying that being gay is a choice, but, really, we all know better .. just like we all know that drug addiction isn't a choice.

    I also once read that nearly everyone who has abused pot as an adult started while they were still a kid, some quite young.

    So recommending that pot be legally plentiful is like .. advocating child abuse.

    Just some new perspectives I thought I'd thow into the mix here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    But it is most certainly not for me to legislate against your opportunities to make bad choices for yourself.
    That's rather .. libertarian .. of you.

    Society tends not to be libertarian.

    Soceity tends to be social conservative .. and they just love protecting those they care about from making so-called bad "choices", especially when those they are protecting are too young to have a good adult probability of making good choices, doubly so when the topic matter isn't about making choices but is about unconscious compulsions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Only to support legislation and enforcement to keep you from making bad choices for anyone but yourself.
    Clever and trite does hardly make right.

    But your words do indeed reveal you as socially libertarian ..

    .. And greatly in the minority in society.

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    Again, though, what did you think of the OP in the link I gave you?
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    Re: Marijuna

    Legalize it at the state level, without a federal mandate. It's insane to keep marijuana illegal when it is less dangerous and destructive to the family unit than alcohol.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Legalize it at the state level, without a federal mandate. It's insane to keep marijuana illegal when it is less dangerous and destructive to the family unit than alcohol.
    Well, there's the perfect argument for illegalizing alcohol, when you realize how damaging pot is: Street Pot Is Irrefutably Deadly.

    You really do sound .. oh, yeah, "libertarian" -- I see it, it's uh, right there at the left of your post, under your avatar: "libertarian" .. okay ...
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    Re: Marijuana

    Mary Jane Poll number 1,264.....

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Well, there's the perfect argument for illegalizing alcohol, when you realize how damaging pot is: Street Pot Is Irrefutably Deadly.

    You really do sound .. oh, yeah, "libertarian" -- I see it, it's uh, right there at the left of your post, under your avatar: "libertarian" .. okay ...
    Yeah, that's the thing about libertarians. They support your right to do what you want with your own body as long as it's not causing harm to another. Our prisons are filled with non-violent drug users already. I don't support locking up someone who likes to get high after a day's work, just to take the edge off.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Well, there's the perfect argument for illegalizing alcohol, when you realize how damaging pot is: Street Pot Is Irrefutably Deadly.

    You really do sound .. oh, yeah, "libertarian" -- I see it, it's uh, right there at the left of your post, under your avatar: "libertarian" .. okay ...

    That link is WAY overdramatized. I mean, drama-queen level over-dramatized.

    Is pot bad for you? Sure.

    Is it really any worse than booze? Probably not.

    Is there any chance of making booze illegal? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHA.....


    I don't smoke weed, but I'm open to the possibility that full legalization might actually be preferable to society on the whole than the alleged War on Drugs, in which I was once a footsoldier (cop) and can tell you is a pointless clusterfrack....

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yeah, that's the thing about libertarians. They support your right to do what you want with your own body as long as it's not causing harm to another.
    So .. is it also a thing about libertarians to advocate the same to be applied to kids, that kids, too, do have or should have a "right" to do with their own body whatever they want, even if it's against the wishes of their parents?


    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Our prisons are filled with non-violent drug users already. I don't support locking up someone who likes to get high after a day's work, just to take the edge off.
    I don't either.

    I do support locking people up who are caught drinking and driving .. or toking and driving .. and, of course, for great lengths of time when they maime or kill people as a result.

    There are some who say that drug addicts can't help themselves, though, and that the very nature of drug abuse, you know, "taking the edge off" and other euphemistic descriptions of addictive behavior, is such that those who do are DUI fatality causers waiting for their future accident time to happen.

    Most who are saying that are parents of pre-teens and teens, those who have a good sober reason to face the truth about the unconscious compulsive non-choice nature of drug abuse.

    I'm not sure where I fall in the summation of all this. I'm just pretty good at differentiating between unconsciously polly-parroted ideolgoical BS and what's really true. And that's where the fun of all this is for me, regardless of taking sides.

    But I do know this OP here -- Street Pot Is Irrefutably Deadly -- is a pretty powerful statement .. one that, so far, legalization advocates behave as is they're down right afraid of.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Is pot bad for you? Sure. Is it really any worse than booze? Probably not.
    I'm right there with you.

    Each is probably similarly damaging and each probably has its own unique ways of causing damage too.

    My guess is that most people don't really know just how damaging and in what ways each, pot and boose, really is damaging.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Is there any chance of making booze illegal? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHA.....
    Heh heh! Absolutely.

    Booze had once been legal, for centuries. Then they tried to outlaw it. Prohibition failed foundationally because boose was once and nearly forever legal. Never stood a chance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't smoke weed,
    That makes sense, based on what you've written so far.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    but I'm open to the possibility that full legalization might actually be preferable to society on the whole than the alleged War on Drugs, in which I was once a footsoldier (cop) and can tell you is a pointless clusterfrack....
    My guess is there is a great majority of Americans, parents, mostly, who would disagree with you.

    No matter how much you might present the varying ways it's a "pointless clusterfrack", they'll only be concerned with vectoring in the opposite direction. To them, getting pot the hell off their streets is the goal, and legalization is simply vectoring in the opposite direction to them, and understandably so, reasonably.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That link is WAY overdramatized. I mean, drama-queen level over-dramatized.
    Now that's strange. I mean, we both seem like reasonable people, yet I didn't find it drama-queenish or over-dramatized. I found it to be quite well presented, complete with valid authoritative references .. and I thought the way it finished was quite insightful, and, okay, also inciteful, yet still pretty much .. right on.

    So, could you point out with linked reference to quotes from the link where you thought it was over-the-top? I'm curious.
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