View Poll Results: How should Marijuana be dealt with?

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  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

    13 10.83%
  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    39 32.50%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    52 43.33%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

    16 13.33%
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Marijuana - InfoFacts - NIDA

    Are you saying that study trumps these .gov websites?
    yes I am. The study just came out today.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Another "legalize pot" thread.

    Is there anything left to say that hasn't already been said on the matter?

    Is it now just different people saying the same old thing?

    What's new here?
    Not much at all new here, which is why I often find myself linking to old posts of mine to refute positions that have already been refuted previously in other threads
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Another "legalize pot" thread.

    Is there anything left to say that hasn't already been said on the matter?

    Is it now just different people saying the same old thing?

    What's new here?
    Yeah I felt the same way... heard it all before right? That's why I didn't post until now. I remember when I first joined debatepolitics, I was excited to argue all the "hot button" issues. I think I need to find a new strategy though. It seems like people just separate into camps and refuse to budge on issues even when presented with logical, reasonable evidence. What it really comes down to (I think) is that people just stick with what they "feel" and try to argue rationally from there instead of sticking with what is reasonable. I guess what I am saying is that it would awesome if people's motivations were more "reason-based" than "feeling-based". Actually, I'll take that back... I think both are equally important - but what is most important is that one can be flexible. For example, some life circumstance or event leads one to feel one way about something, but when presented with counter evidence, one changes his/her mind. Anywho, totally off subject.

    But....

    I'd like to talk about why people think they personally want to see marijuana legal or illegal.....

    I have flip-flopped on this issue several times... when I was younger I was against it, when I got a little older, I was for it, then after that I was against it and now for it again - every time things changed it was for different reasons

    First there was family values involved
    Then there was teenage rebellion involved
    Then, after some insight into the "drug" world, I was against it again
    Now, I am for legalization, i.e. end the prohibition. But now I feel this way because I feel like I have accurately viewed all the pros and cons. Also, I tend to support freedom for the individual so long as no one else is being hurt and any damage done to self is minimal. I believe people should have the right to live their lives and experience their lives the way that they want to. I am against these kinds of government as baby-sitter situations. Adults should be able to make up their own minds and be responsible. There are many reasons people would want to use marijuana, e.g. pain relief (many have chronic pain and the medicines that are out there become ineffective quickly), psychiatric uses for mental health disorders, recreation and social use etc. The great thing about this natural plant is that people cannot overdose on it, its not very addictive, sources have said at most it may be as addictive as caffeine (actually most sources say less than that). Also, the way/reason that marijuana was prohibited just doesn't sit well with me. We have far more damaging substances, such as fast food restaurants, over the counter medications, alcohol, tobacco etc. that are allowed. Additionally, there is a strong monetary reason for legalizing marijuana. It would significantly boost our economy - new businesses, new tax revenue, less crime, fewer inmates etc. well, everyone's probably heard all this before, so I'll just stop there

    ..... well I will say one more thing ... I believe propoganda and fear is what is keeping marijuana illegal, that mixed with a severely puritanical population ... anywho
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Are you referring to the same NIDA that once stated this "fact" in their "Facts parents need to know" publication?



    here is this so called fact in its full context that they cherry picked and played loose with. notice any omissions or distortion of the actual truth of this "fact"?



    so adults who use all three of tobacco, alcohol and marijuana are 104 times more likey to use cocaine, but when it comes to NIDA and their "facts" it suddenly becomes just marijuana, and the other 2 necessary components behind this figure come up missing.

    NIDA plays very loose with their "facts" and distorts and misrepresents them for the sake of propaganda. They have no credibility despite the gov. But of course.. you know the gov is infallible, why would they lie to us?
    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    yes I am. The study just came out today.
    You have succeeded in persuading me.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You have succeeded in persuading me.
    did you look at my links I posted a couple of pages back regarding decriminalization and usage rates?
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You have succeeded in persuading me.
    is anyone familiar with the effects on the brain and body by getting THC via vapor?

    It seems there would be less carcinogens if any at all via that route.

    Also, THC can be extracted, marijuana can be eaten, etc.

    It seems there are definitely some safe ways to use the plant.

    But that is a little besides the point - i.e. what is more important... living one's life the way one wants to, or having a parental government that disallows anything that could be potentially harmful.

    If you go with one or the other, its kind of an all or nothing thing. if you're against unhealthy things and believe we should police them, then we'd better start having the police make sure we are eating proper meals that won't cause heart problems, obesity, diabetes, etc.

    On the other hand - we could put high tax rates on different products correlating with their potential health risks, thereby requiring consumers to pay for their possible health problems ahead of time, thus costing the tax payers no undue burden

    Oh and one last thing - generally, it is believed by the psychological community that our brain does not fully develop until around the age of 25 - so, with certain products, I believe some restrictions around that age should be applied

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    did you look at my links I posted a couple of pages back regarding decriminalization and usage rates?
    I haven't read them yet because I was dealing with a hacker on FB. I'll copy/paste those links onto my profile and check them out later at my leisure.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Periodically smoking marijuana doesn't appear to hurt lung capacity, the largest study ever conducted on pot smokers has found.

    Even though most marijuana smokers tend to inhale deeply and hold the smoke in for as long as they can before exhaling, the lung capacity didn't deteriorate even among those who smoked a joint a day for seven years or once a week for 20 years, according to the study published Tuesday in JAMA, the journal of the American Medical Association.

    In recent years, studies on marijuana smoking and its effects on lung function have been contradictory. While most studies have shown no effects on the lungs from smoking cannabis, others have shown adverse effects, and still others have shown improvement in lung function. Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco, and University of Alabama at Birmingham knew tobacco smoking causes lung damage and leads to respiratory issues such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), but they wanted to be clear whether smoking marijuana, had similar effects.

    They measured lung function multiple times in more than 5,100 men and women during a 20-year period. In fact, the research shows, some people who regularly smoke marijuana can have a slight improvement in lung function.

    Vitals - Smoking pot doesn't hurt lung capacity, study shows
    sweet, slight improvement? I've been thinking of restarting my 1 mile run routine...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think I'm going to make a new poll on marijuana. NOT about legality, but about the effect on the body, regarding that link Winston provided. If no one can offer updated data to counter the research in that article, then I have no real choic but to accept it as currently correct.
    The effects on the body are- great. *cough*

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Marijuana - InfoFacts - NIDA

    Are you saying that study trumps these .gov websites?
    No, you shouldn't trust in .gov sites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    And what basis do you have for this?

    If most roaches don't crawl onto the floor from the shadows when the light is out, what happens when you turn the light off? More roaches emerge.
    Compare STD transmission rates between places where prostitution is legal to places where it is illegal. You will find that where it's legal, STD transmission is lower, and so is violence towards women. That fact has already been addressed in this thread, Wake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    How exactly is that?

    Question: If murder was made legal, would that as well drop the rate in murder?

    The logic is that making it legal decreases the occurence, so wouldn't that work for theives and murderers and other currently illegal things as well?
    Comparing murder to smoking weed is dumb.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I haven't read them yet because I was dealing with a hacker on FB. I'll copy/paste those links onto my profile and check them out later at my leisure.
    Fair enough, I linked to the posts of mine that have the relevant citations, the second thread I linked to goes on for a while after the relevant post. If you want to read the whole thread, have at it, -if I recall it covers a lot of ground - if not no worries, just the post I linked to (and perhaps post 189 from Binary_Digit) will do to cover the usage rates related to decriminalization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Comparing murder to smoking weed is dumb.
    Yes I agree, LOL! nice catch evanescence!

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