View Poll Results: How should Marijuana be dealt with?

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  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

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  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    39 32.50%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    52 43.33%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

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    Re: Marijuna

    Legalize it on a federal level, stop using taxpayer money to harass marijuana stores in states where it's legal to have them, regulate MJ like alcohol and tobacco, and tax it. It'll still be cheaper than street weed, safer too, and crime syndicates around the globe would crumble instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I'd ban using it in public though. No-one wants a second-hand buzz in a restaurant.
    That is why you can choose to go one that doesn't allow it. It isn't up to the customer to force the owner through the power of the law.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Legalize it but...

    I don't think it'll ever become legal on the federal level.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I'd ban using it in public though. No-one wants a second-hand buzz in a restaurant.
    amsterdam coffee house maybe?


    again, like liquor, there are many public places where one cannot publicly imbibe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Addiction is labelled a mental illness. It no doubt an area where natural and environmental predilection and physiological factors are important. But it is distinct from many other mental illnesses in the sense that there is a lot of choice involved. Acknowledging the complexities of the issue must not take away the real moral and character issues involved; a heroin addict is not simply a unfree victim of a mental condition.

    I don't think marijuana should be illegal. The problems associated with it, even in a cultural and social sense, do not seem to warrant the trouble that prohibition has. I do not think this is generally the case with illegal drugs however, whatever the real problems of their prohibition.
    All mental illness involves some degree of "choice." The problem is, when the mind is disordered, what does that do to the logic of the choices the person makes?

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    There is a difference between genuine mental illness and character flaws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    All mental illness involves some degree of "choice." The problem is, when the mind is disordered, what does that do to the logic of the choices the person makes?
    Come on Smoke, you know the kind of 'choice' involved in schizophrenia and addiction are quite different in many ways, in kind and not just degree. This causes a divergence in the kind of problems with rationality that these problems cause, overall and in general.

    I'm certainly willing to admit that the addict isn't simply someone who should be viewed as completely choosing their addiction, and its continuance, with ease, as if they could stop a whim. But that doesn't mean there are issues of choice and character involved that aren't generally involved, at least in the same way, with other mental illnesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Come on Smoke, you know the kind of 'choice' involved in schizophrenia and addiction are quite different in many ways, in kind and not just degree. This causes a divergence in the kind of problems with rationality that these problems cause, overall and in general.
    Sure they are. But what about the schizophrenic who can't get decent care and turns to drugs to self-medicate? That's very common. Did you know upwards of 90% of schizophrenics smoke? That's why.

    They cause different problems and similar problems both. They are different disorders. Obviously they have different markers. But an addict is no more rational about their habit than a schizophrenic is about thinking their house is bugged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Sure they are. But what about the schizophrenic who can't get decent care and turns to drugs to self-medicate? That's very common. Did you know upwards of 90% of schizophrenics smoke? That's why.

    They cause different problems and similar problems both. They are different disorders. Obviously they have different markers. But an addict is no more rational about their habit than a schizophrenic is about thinking their house is bugged.
    These people are a distinct issue, aren't they. They cannot be used to pretend addiction, in itself and in general, is the same sort of problem as most other mental illnesses. As I added to my last post, I admit that we shouldn't view addiction simply as a clear choice, implying the addict can easily stop when they want. But that doesn't mean the addict is simply a victim of a mental condition whose only choice is to acknowledge this and seek treatment. He is someone who has decided he enjoys intoxication and, the great pressures to take drugs and to keep taking them, which I fully acknowledge, notwithstanding, continues to decide he would rather be intoxicated than live a proper, human life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    These people are a distinct issue, aren't they. They cannot be used to pretend addiction, in itself and in general, is the same sort of problem as most other mental illnesses. As I added to my last post, I admit that we shouldn't view addiction simply as a clear choice, implying the addict can easily stop when they want. But that doesn't mean the addict is simply a victim of a mental condition whose only choice is to acknowledge this and seek treatment. He is someone who has decided he enjoys intoxication and, the great pressures to take drugs and to keep taking them, which I fully acknowledge, notwithstanding, continues to decide he would rather be intoxicated than live a proper, human life.
    I had always thought that a real drug addict takes drugs to feel normal....to avoid withdrawal. I'm not sure it's all about continuing to decide one would rather be intoxicated than live a proper human life. (Maybe that's just some drugs...)
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