View Poll Results: How should Marijuana be dealt with?

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  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

    13 10.83%
  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    39 32.50%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    52 43.33%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

    16 13.33%
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    Re: Marijuna

    Can prostitution really be considered a profession? Is dealing drugs a profession as well?

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Can prostitution really be considered a profession? Is dealing drugs a profession as well?
    You know, there was a time in history when people felt that you couldn't make a profession out of psychology, astrology, or physics.

    The answer to your question is yes.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Why is prostitution different? Decriminalizing it protects women who have chosen to make it their profession. In Nevada, crimes against women who elect to sell sex are drastically lower than crimes against women who prostitute illegally in any other area. Same for prostitutes in Amsterdam. Disease transmission/acquisition rates for women in legalized prostitution (and for customers) is significantly lower than for those who prostitute illegally. There has been no correlation between legalized prostitution and increased infidelity/divorce in the same areas. There has also been no correlation between legalized prostitution and increased single-parent situations, increased teen pregnancy, increased rape, or other crimes. So, again, you have a situation were decriminalization has shown to benefit the whole more than criminalizing the action ever has...so, I see no difference between decriminalizing drugs and decriminalizing the sale of sex.
    Statistics are treacherous things, they need a lot of evaluation and assessment to make sense of them. One can immediately point out large wholes in using these examples. For instance they are quite limited in scope, they are also, in the case of Amsterdam, in a country which is hardly a shining moral beacon for humanity anyway. The conservative should start by considering the social effects; statistics can help, but they are far from a complete guide to such issues. We should look at those involved and the communities in which they take place, but also at their cultural and imaginative setting. Nevada is socially and culturally quite interwoven with the rest of the US, which mitigates the effects of such practices, either way. You also have not attempted to assess the amount of people using these prostitutes, who is using them and the moral effects this has on them, on the prostitutes and on their relations and close associates.

    Also prostitution is just a part of a whole cultural and social milieu. Like so called 'gay marriage', we shouldn't suggest that it would end all sexual and social morality, but it would be one more nail in the coffin. The same goes for legalised prostitution in the current. Western contexts.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You know, there was a time in history when people felt that you couldn't make a profession out of psychology, astrology, or physics.

    The answer to your question is yes.
    So do you also think dealing drugs can be considered a profession?

    Maybe soon we'll have ellective classes on how to be a prostitute? Perhaps later they'll begin to unionize?

    I don't see prostitution being anywhere near as beneficial as psychology or physics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So do you also think dealing drugs can be considered a profession?

    Maybe soon we'll have ellective classes on how to be a prostitute? Perhaps later they'll begin to unionize?

    I don't see prostitution being anywhere near as beneficial as psychology or physics.
    People dismissed psychology and physics, too...for centuries.

    If drug use is decriminalized there will still be dealers...in most countries it is still illegal to deal. If drug use is legalized we won't have "dealers" anymore...we'll have retail establishments.

    Elective classes on prostitution? Stupid strawman. Stripping is perfectly legal but schools don't teach you how to pole dance (private businesses not funded by the government, yes...but schools, no). We don't teach how to screw; hell, we don't even teach how to be safe when we decide to screw. And I doubt that'll ever change.

    But honestly, if you need a class to learn how to let a guy stick his stick inside of you then you shouldn't be considering prostitution in the first place.

    Unionizing would be fine, though I can't personally stand unions.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    People dismissed psychology and physics, too...for centuries.

    If drug use is decriminalized there will still be dealers...in most countries it is still illegal to deal. If drug use is legalized we won't have "dealers" anymore...we'll have retail establishments.

    Elective classes on prostitution? Stupid strawman. Stripping is perfectly legal but schools don't teach you how to pole dance (private businesses not funded by the government, yes...but schools, no). We don't teach how to screw; hell, we don't even teach how to be safe when we decide to screw. And I doubt that'll ever change.

    But honestly, if you need a class to learn how to let a guy stick his stick inside of you then you shouldn't be considering prostitution in the first place.

    Unionizing would be fine, though I can't personally stand unions.
    However, psychology and physics are of far more benefit to society than prostituting your body.

    To be blunt, the ellective part was in jest. I just want to peer into the future and see what humanity's stupidity has in store for us.

    I would think that if drugs became legal, as in all drugs, why would it still remain illegal to deal? If it were to remain legal, I wonder if it would be considered a profession.

    What other incentives can we tie to prostitution, I wonder, besides unionizing? Perhaps health insurance through work? Would they pay taxes? What else, I wonder? Should they get worker's comp?

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    People dismissed psychology and physics, too...for centuries.
    When?

    People still do, rightly, dismiss a lot of the more colonial aspects of psychology. I wouldn't think very highly of someone who actually took Freud or B.F Skinner seriously.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So do you also think dealing drugs can be considered a profession?


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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Who said anything about inhibited? It really depends on how you use the word inhibited. I think they should control their sexual desires and make the lower, more animal aspects parts of them accord with and be held in place by the higher more fully human aspects. In this sense I want people to be sexually inhibited. But I do think that the more physical and animal aspects can and often should be a part of healthy human sexuality, they simply shouldn't be pursued in isolation and allowed to usurp the place of the higher aspects of man. In this sense I do not support sexual inhibitions.

    I think good character is about being more fully human. So it includes having self-control and restraint. Drinking to excess in any repetitive and sustained way is a mark of less perfect character as you are not controlling your desires for what is, on its own, a pleasure that is beneath the full social, cultural, creative, moral, intellectual and spiritual potential of man. The same goes for the over indulgence in the physical and lower aspects of sexuality in isolation from the rest of proper, human sexuality.
    Unless someone's sexual behavior poses a health risk or is non consentual, I do not think that the government should interfere. Your idea of "good character" should not be law.


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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Unless someone's sexual behavior poses a health risk or is non consentual, I do not think that the government should interfere. Your idea of "good character" should not be law.


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    What if, say, STDS and AIDS/HIV are transmitted at an even faster rate? Many men don't go to prostitutes because it's illegal, yet if it becomes legal then more will contribute to the problem.

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