View Poll Results: How should Marijuana be dealt with?

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  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

    13 10.83%
  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    39 32.50%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    52 43.33%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

    16 13.33%
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Actually I gave you a rational argument, which you completely ignored. This indicates you both have no point and cannot think well.

    Example are obvious. Alcohol drinking is a 'victimless crime' in the narrow and silly sense you are using, but its legality not only directly hurts relations, associations and communities of some of those who drink, but it also has a general social effect of creating more drinkers and causes a lot of the problems associated with drinking. I'm not sure I'd ban it, but it is an obvious example that such things can have social, cultural and imaginative effects. Although only a moron should doubt this anyway.
    Actually, I thought only a moron would enbrace the abstract and make it the foundation of their argument.

    You should have quit while you were only a bit behind. Your post is absurd.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I am going to have to take issue with you on this as well. They are only "criminal" in the same way that those who drank alcohol during Prohibition were "criminal", only to be then "not criminal" the day after its repeal, yet while exhibiting the same behavior. I understand the simplest argument that if it is "against the law, its criminal", but also do not think we should be so harsh in such social choices. It clearly is not as though we assaulted someone by smoking a joint.

    BTW, I detest drugs.

    I believe that if we were to embrace it rather as a sickness, we would be so very much better off in every measurable way.
    Can I ask why you label yourself conservative.? You appear to have a completely socially and culturally liberal, indeed atomistic, approach to such questions. Surely a conservative should recognise man is a social animal. Or has conservative sunk so low that all you have to do today to call yourself one is parrot free market slogans and claim to wish to slash the deficit.

    I'm not saying a conservative has to be for prohibition, but I'd expect them to understand socially conservative arguments for prohibition and put up a proper conservative counter argument.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 01-10-12 at 12:52 AM.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Actually, I thought only a moron would enbrace the abstract and make it the foundation of their argument.
    So you think thought is abstract? I have given only a brief, and largely unanswered overview of the issue. The practical and concrete is important, but we must have our initial thoughts right first. The arguments against me have been the usual knee-jerk, atomistic, social liberal nonsense. If accepted the premises of this stuff under the pretense we didn't want to start with the abstract then we'd be fools.

    Also if we cannot make sense of obvious, rational relationships between aspects of society, culture and behaviour then we can hardly do it by trying to focus only on the practical and statistical, which is what you foolishly seem to be implying. If one cannot understand the basic issues involved in drug and alcohol use and prostitution and their relationship to society then no amount of 'practical' thinking and statistical analysis will help you.

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    You should have quit while you were only a bit behind. Your post is absurd.
    Oh you wound me. It seems you spend as little time thinking up witty retorts as you decent arguments.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 01-10-12 at 01:00 AM.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Can I ask why you label yourself conservative.? You appear to have a completely socially and culturally liberal, indeed atomistic, approach to such questions. Surely a conservative should recognise man is a social animal. Who has conservative sunk so low that all you have to do today to call yourself one is parrot free market slogans and claim to wish to slash the deficit.

    I'm not saying a conservative has to be for prohibition, but I'd expect them to understand socially conservative arguments for prohibition and put up a proper conservative counter argument.
    LOL .. check around. I am not only Conservative, but I am soon to stand trial for exceeding my bag limit for killing liberals. I plead self-defense, btw.

    I argue common sense. And liberty. Its really pretty simple.

    Ozzie. Your discombobulated arguments, aka pretzel logic, just plain suck. Maybe you need to take a break from the tall weeds. Its big dog turf.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    LOL .. check around. I am not only Conservative, but I am soon to stand trial for exceeding my bag limit for killing liberals. I plead self-defense, btw.

    I argue common sense. And liberty. Its really pretty simple.

    Ozzie. Your discombobulated arguments, aka pretzel logic, just plain suck. Maybe you need to take a break from the tall weeds. Its big dog turf.
    Is this supposed to make some kind of sense? Or be some kind of argument or refutation?

    Your approach seems to be to ignore arguments and then make barely comprehensible, terribly unfunny little whining insults and other miscellaneous crap posing as sentences. Maybe it is time you start to 'embrace the abstract', or what everyone else knows as think.

    When it comes to liberty I think Burke put the traditional conservative position best, as is often the case;

    “But what is liberty without wisdom and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint. Those who know what virtuous liberty is, cannot bear to see it disgraced by incapable heads, on account of their having high-sounding words in their mouths.”
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    In spite of you being an asshole, I still have empathy for you.
    Don't waste your emotions on me, Thorgasm. Not worth your time.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Actually I gave you a rational argument, which you completely ignored. This indicates you both have no point and cannot think well.
    apologies
    i missed anything resembling rational in your post
    so, let's take a look at the balance of this one

    Example are obvious.
    it are. will let's have it

    Alcohol drinking is a 'victimless crime' in the narrow and silly sense you are using,
    it are?
    someone needs to let you know that it is not illegal to drink. guess i just did that
    this is your comparable example? notice why i detect a void in your responses when it comes to finding them rational

    ... but its legality not only directly hurts relations, associations and communities of some of those who drink, but it also has a general social effect of creating more drinkers and causes a lot of the problems associated with drinking.
    houston, we have a problem
    it now seems you knew that drinking was legal but used it as an illustration of a victimless crime. it is clear you have no knowledge about what you are posting

    I'm not sure I'd ban it,
    hold on
    you just went thru this diatribe about why drinking inflicts all of these assorted ills on society and then you say it is not awful enough to make illegal ... but you use this as an example to keep marijuana consumption illegal
    notice any rationality there? me either

    but it is an obvious example that such things can have social, cultural and imaginative effects. Although only a moron should doubt this anyway.
    so, you trot out drinking as being a victimless crime which has awful consequences but is something you would continue to keep legal as an example why marijuana deserves to remain an illegal substance
    if that is what one must believe to be identified as not a moron, then i will want to be thrown in with the morons ... in your world they are apparently the folks who can think rationally
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Can I ask why you label yourself conservative.? You appear to have a completely socially and culturally liberal, indeed atomistic, approach to such questions. Surely a conservative should recognise man is a social animal. Or has conservative sunk so low that all you have to do today to call yourself one is parrot free market slogans and claim to wish to slash the deficit.
    Nothing entertains me more than than conservatives accusing other conservatives of not being conservative.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Can I ask why you label yourself conservative.? You appear to have a completely socially and culturally liberal, indeed atomistic, approach to such questions. Surely a conservative should recognise man is a social animal. Or has conservative sunk so low that all you have to do today to call yourself one is parrot free market slogans and claim to wish to slash the deficit.

    I'm not saying a conservative has to be for prohibition, but I'd expect them to understand socially conservative arguments for prohibition and put up a proper conservative counter argument.
    Trying to put a political classification into a box is ridiculous. The parties have changed and realigned themselves continuously throughout history. There are many aspects of modern "conservatism" and those who cling desperately to such a limited piece of it as an example of why they're the best type of conservative are part of the reason we have such a problem staying on message, and part of the reason I no longer classify myself.

    I don't have to meet your ideal of conservatism to qualify for the classification. Nor do you have to meet mine. But failing to understand that yours isn't the only (and probably not even the best) division of conservatism is paramount to moving forward as a collective group.

    Then again, some of us realize that archaic and outdated rules designed to restrict society to fit into our own self righteous definition of acceptable go against the very rights and ideals that conservatives have historically (and hypocritically) held in such high regard.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Then again, some of us realize that archaic and outdated rules designed to restrict society to fit into our own self righteous definition of acceptable go against the very rights and ideals that conservatives have historically (and hypocritically) held in such high regard.
    That makes you a card-carrying, Marx-reading, Rosenberg-defending, nuclear-spying, Cold-War-loving COMMIE!!!!!!

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