View Poll Results: How should Marijuana be dealt with?

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  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

    13 10.83%
  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    39 32.50%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    52 43.33%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

    16 13.33%
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    Re: Marijuna

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    Re: Marijuna

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    some of us would argue that it is actually a sign of moral decay - make that rot - for a segment of society to impose on another - by law - a prohibition of actions, which actions, if taken, do no harm to any other
    Man is a social, cultural and imaginative animal. The acceptance of particularly baleful actions can have widespread moral and social effects.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't think prostitution will be the same as cigarettes. Cigarettes are despised by all the trendy groups and cultural viewpoints. Such people and groups, with the exception of the Germaine Greer's of the world, do not necessarily despise prostitution and their ideologies see little wrong with it.

    I think morality has a social aspect. I do not think it is necessarily government's job to simply legislate this, but that doesn't mean that it can't have a role in maintaining social morality in certain areas.

    It must be remembered there is a difference between forcing people to act morally and in certain areas stopping them acting immorally. You can help prevent the indulgence of certain temptations without simply forcing people to be moral.
    But the laws don't stop people from acting Immorally as you would view it. They are still going to go to prostitutes, and won't ever stop. You can either be practical, and make life better for people, or you can keep insisting that your morality be law. What about people see nothing wrong with prostitution? Why should they have to follow your morality being forced through the law? Like I said, laws should be practical, and improve peoples lives, not have some arbitrary morality enforced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Man is a social, cultural and imaginative animal. The acceptance of particularly baleful actions can have widespread moral and social effects.
    show us what you are able which defends your opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    show us what you are able which defends your opinion
    Come again?
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    But the laws don't stop people from acting Immorally as you would view it. They are still going to go to prostitutes, and won't ever stop. You can either be practical, and make life better for people, or you can keep insisting that your morality be law.
    I don't think it is settled that legalising prostitution will not somewhat increase its use. Anyway, there is still the social and cultural effects of legitimising it to think about.

    What about people see nothing wrong with prostitution? Why should they have to follow your morality being forced through the law? Like I said, laws should be practical, and improve peoples lives, not have some arbitrary morality enforced.
    All law must be based on morality. Even if your end is social health you must proceed by making laws based on an idea of right and wrong. You will not get a general respect and obedience to laws if you simply try and base them on social utility. As for why we should ignore people who don't see anything wrong with prostitution. Because they are wrong, to put it simply. Because not only will their position likely end up inconsistent and wrong but it would be socially damaging as well.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Come again?
    you have asserted:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Man is a social, cultural and imaginative animal. The acceptance of particularly baleful actions can have widespread moral and social effects.
    what evidence do you have to support your position
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    Re: Marijuna

    This may be a bit off topic, but why do we charge people with illegal actions for using drugs? They aren't criminals, they are sick people...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you have asserted:

    what evidence do you have to support your position
    What evidence would you like? I offer common sense, reason and experience as evidence. Man is a social animal. He is born into social groups with regulate and partially form him. Social and cultural mores, beliefs and values have a large effect over him; indeed he is an imaginative animal as well, the way he imaginatively constructs his view actions, which is impacted on by general social attitudes, has a lot to do with how he views those actions and the world. Therefore it stands to reason that the general legitimising of dubious behaviours may have a social and cultural effect.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't think it is settled that legalising prostitution will not somewhat increase its use. Anyway, there is still the social and cultural effects of legitimising it to think about.
    It's been around for thousands of years I don't think it can get more legitimized than that.

    All law must be based on morality. Even if your end is social health you must proceed by making laws based on an idea of right and wrong. You will not get a general respect and obedience to laws if you simply try and base them on social utility. As for why we should ignore people who don't see anything wrong with prostitution. Because they are wrong, to put it simply. Because not only will their position likely end up inconsistent and wrong but it would be socially damaging as well.
    Laws should not be based on personal morality, as in what is right, and wrong for me to do, but what is best for society as a whole, and how much should the government interfere with peoples lives. Trying to make the standard of living the best possible for everyone, regardless of their standing in the society, or their opinions on things like morality, religion etc. Your comment on prostitution being wrong is simply an opinion, not a fact, and you can't treat it like a fact, which is what your doing. If you don't want people engaging in prostitution then go out and protest about it, start a campaign telling people about the dangers of it, and tell them not to do it. But should the government really legislate, and interfere with people's freedoms in such a way? I don't think so, that is not the governments place, it is just harmful for the people in every aspect.
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