View Poll Results: How should Marijuana be dealt with?

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  • Stricter federal laws must be made, and more money put to enforcing them

    13 10.83%
  • Give individual states the right to decide how to go about it

    39 32.50%
  • Legalize it through a federal law

    52 43.33%
  • Give states the right to decide about it as long as they abide by certain Federal guidelines

    16 13.33%
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    What are you talking about technological advances? Controlling when people can or can't have sex?

    And this isn't about right or wrong, it's about practicality and safety. If you really cared about these women you would want them to be able to work in a safe environment for legit business where they can make a fair wage, instead of letting criminals run it and have them work for pimps who don't care about them, take most of their money, and make them have unprotected sex and put them at risk for all sorts of STD's. If you find it immoral don't go to a prostitute, it's that simple.
    Surely morality is also a social and cultural issue as well? Legalising and supervising prostitution in such a way surely sends certain signals out about how it should be viewed?
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    If you believe that simply because drugs are decriminalized other things are to follow, it follows that you see a connection.
    I think there may be, and that thought is valid.

    You see, when an idea springs into existence, it's only logical to continue with that idea. You have a cascade of thoughts stemming from one, initial thought, over a spanse of years. The thought is this: "decriminalize in order to save money." With this idea, we decriminalize in order tosave money. As you can see, there is a connection between both the prostitution example, and the illegal drugs example, regarding this concept. It is only logical to think that there may be at least one more instance of decriminalizing in order to save money in the future.

    If you and I walk one century into the past, we'll see how just one initial idea can cause a raining cascade of beliefs and movements. Take the simple notion of equality, for example. That idea has been around for millenia, yet for the sake of simplicity let's focus on the last 200 years of America. With the thought of equality, many, many beliefs and motions have sprung from it.

    So yes, from just one idea, there can be a cascade, connections, of thoughts and motions.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think prostitution does cost dignity. Whether you like the thrill, sex, or money I find it wrong. What can I say? It's what I honestly believe. Some people sell drugs for thrill, and others for money, yet I still think it's wrong and undignified to sell drugs illegally.

    As for the "innocent" context, I still find it creepy, at least.

    Men do it as well, but to a lesser extent. From a Christian perspective, you are to respect your body, your "temple" for the soul. I find it wrong to sell your body for carnal lusts and money.
    People use sex as a bargaining tool all the time. Legislating on the basis of your morality disregards the morality of all others....which is why it's a faulty premise for law.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    People use sex as a bargaining tool all the time. Legislating on the basis of your morality disregards the morality of all others....which is why it's a faulty premise for law.
    So basically the majority is right?

    I guess if it's not power that makes something right, it's numbers.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think prostitution does cost dignity. Whether you like the thrill, sex, or money I find it wrong. What can I say? It's what I honestly believe. Some people sell drugs for thrill, and others for money, yet I still think it's wrong and undignified to sell drugs illegally.

    As for the "innocent" context, I still find it creepy, at least.

    Men do it as well, but to a lesser extent. From a Christian perspective, you are to respect your body, your "temple" for the soul. I find it wrong to sell your body for carnal lusts and money.
    OK, I agree that it may be a poor career choice, and morally inferior to other choices. But, it is not for me to decide whether or not you can give someone a blow job for free, much less charge for it. Is a free blow job permissable ? Or only OK if one gets a dinner out of it ?
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Yeah because we can all afford to piss even more money down the drain. And because it has historically worked so well and all.
    There is an argument, amongst particularly some traditional conservatives like Peter Hitchens, that the so called 'war on drugs' was always half-hearted. I'm not sure if this is right, but we can't just assume the 'war on drugs' failed, in the sense it was ever carried out properly and didn't succeed.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    OK, I agree that it may be a poor career choice, and morally inferior to other choices. But, it is not for me to decide whether or not you can give someone a blow job for free, much less charge for it. Is a free blow job permissable ? Or only OK if one gets a dinner out of it ?
    Hm, interesting points.

    I just think it's despicable and wrong to sell one's body out to others for sex void of love. So hollow, I think.

    I don't know what to think from a legal standpoint, but that doesn't change my opinion that it's wrong.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So basically the majority is right?

    I guess if it's not power that makes something right, it's numbers.
    Yeah, essentially it's majority rule....except when the majority would rule in a manner that infringes upon the rights of a minority. Legalizing prostitution infringes upon the rights of nobody. Legalizing or decriminalizing drugs infringes upon the rights of nobody. Criminalizing gay marriage infringes upon the rights of a group of people.

    Do you get it? Law should not be based on a moral code which is dynamic (and has always been dynamic). Law should be based on whether or not that law would infringe upon "natural" rights. We can do more for people who are addicted to drugs if we aren't constantly working to throw them in jail. All existing evidence suggests that decriminalizing drug use will actually decrease the number of addicts, death from drugs, and the prison population (and we all know prisons are drastically over crowded in most states). Decriminalizing prostitution provides protections for those who choose to make it their profession.

    So really, you have a choice: You can stand on an arbitrary morality soap box and refuse to decriminalize, but in doing so you must also accept that your stance will lead to more harm, pain, illness, and death for those you're classifying as criminals. Or, you can accept that decriminalization allows for safety, rehabilitation, and protection for the so called "victims" of drug use and prostitution and realize that, as a Christian, it is better to do what helps the most people than it is to stand on arbitrary rules from an archaic mindset dictated by men no more equipped to create those guidelines than you are.
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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    There is an argument, amongst particularly some traditional conservatives like Peter Hitchens, that the so called 'war on drugs' was always half-hearted. I'm not sure if this is right, but we can't just assume the 'war on drugs' failed, in the sense it was ever carried out properly and didn't succeed.
    Of course, it is possible to believe that the first front in an effective War on Drugs is best started by legalizing drugs.

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    Re: Marijuna

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Surely morality is also a social and cultural issue as well? Legalising and supervising prostitution in such a way surely sends certain signals out about how it should be viewed?
    Not really, cigarettes are legal, and they are not viewed as a good thing to do. In my view morality is up to the people to practice for themselves, not for the government to force on the people. Laws should be practical, keep the people safe, and improve their lives, not force people to be moral.
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