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When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

Which idea?

  • Tradition

    Votes: 21 31.3%
  • Hierarchy

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Elitism

    Votes: 7 10.4%
  • Populism

    Votes: 2 3.0%
  • Individualism

    Votes: 12 17.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 24 35.8%

  • Total voters
    67
Another "GOD" based sermon.

Very little of these five so-called tenets are based in realism, but rather idealism.

It's not about the private person, local institutions, equal rights, freedom and sound leadership...its about political candy to feed to needy citizens who are yearning to satisfying their sweet tooth for hope.

As of this day...none of these so-called tenets exist in our political and government institution...NOR WILL under any current or future governments who are empowered as ours is today.

The question is what is a conservative. Edmund Burke is the original declared conservative and Russell Kirk is his modern-day follower. Could you put aside your views about your perception of today and let us know what you think about the tenets. Do you agree with them or are you opposed to them? Some or all?
 
Thank you very much for that post. Genuinely stand in awe of Mr. Kirk's wisdom....:yes:

You are welcome and glad you like his ideals. I believe it is a clearly stated set of beliefs of conservatism. I like its conciseness and its clarity.
 
Thanks to the site, The Imaginative Conservative, I found this profound quote from Judge Learned Hand:

I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws, and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it. And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few – as we have learned to our sorrow.

Thanks Wessexman.
 
Thanks to the site, The Imaginative Conservative, I found this profound quote from Judge Learned Hand:

I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws, and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it. And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few – as we have learned to our sorrow.

Thanks Wessexman.

When I hear so much impatient and irritable complaint, so much readiness to replace what we have by guardians for us all, those supermen, evoked somewhere from the clouds, whom none have seen and none are ready to name, I lapse into a dream, as it were. I see children playing on the grass; their voices are shrill and discordant as children's are; they are restive and quarrelsome; they cannot agree to any common plan; their play annoys them; it goes poorly. And one says, let us make Jack the master; Jack knows all about it; Jack will tell us what each is to do and we shall all agree. But Jack is like all the rest; Helen is discontented with her part and Henry with his, and soon they fall again into their old state. No, the children must learn to play by themselves; there is no Jack the master. And in the end slowly and with infinite disappointment they do learn a little; they learn to forbear, to reckon with another, accept a little where they wanted much, to live and let live, to yield when they must yield; perhaps, we may hope, not to take all they can. But the condition is that they shall be willing at least to listen to one another, to get the habit of pooling their wishes. Somehow or other they must do this, if the play is to go on; maybe it will not, but there is no Jack, in or out of the box, who can come to straighten the game. Learned Hand
 
So you could tell the difference, that's an ostrich on the left....
 

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Out of touch.
 
And by "real" you just happen to mean like one brand of conservatism, right? Not like any other forms of conservatism have been popular throughout American and world history, right?

No, I mean not the big government, intrusive nonsense that has been espoused by the Republican party for the last couple of decades. You know, since the Democrats took over the party.
 
Ewww... this will make me popular. :lol:

Same thing as a liberal, stuck with one set of solutions.
 
I think the problem with these impressions is that people believe 'conservative' is synonymous with 'Republican'. I'm a conservative. I'm not a Republican. Republicans need big government to enforce their views. My views are for a conservative government.
 
Conservatism makes me think of a large government, expensive wars, arrogance, restrictions of womens rights, creationism over science, religion over stem cell research, corporations are really people, and being gay is a personal choice.

Bee
 
Arrogance.
"We know the founding fathers".. (They know dead guys)
 
Recognition of financial reality. Conservatives acknowledge that there is a limit as to how much of future revenue can be spent now (by means of borrowing) before you begin to unduly enslave the next generation. Money doesn't grow on trees. When you are as indebted as we are as a nation, the rational plan of action is to stimulate revenue growth, so as to have more money for debt repayment and increases in operational costs AFTER the debt is contained. Conservatism is the exact opposite of what is happening now.
 
It is a good read I own a copy of the The Conservative Mind.

Out of pure curiosity, why does a very liberal person own this book? Did a conservative give it to you? :)
 
First thing: Small Government.
 
When I hear conservative, I think of a person who wants small government, free markets, and believes highly in the second amendment. And guess what, all of those are good things.

I think of someone who wants freedom for themselves but wants to limit the freedoms of others and wants war, war, war.
 
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