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Thread: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

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    Re: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Another "GOD" based sermon.

    Very little of these five so-called tenets are based in realism, but rather idealism.

    It's not about the private person, local institutions, equal rights, freedom and sound leadership...its about political candy to feed to needy citizens who are yearning to satisfying their sweet tooth for hope.

    As of this day...none of these so-called tenets exist in our political and government institution...NOR WILL under any current or future governments who are empowered as ours is today.
    The question is what is a conservative. Edmund Burke is the original declared conservative and Russell Kirk is his modern-day follower. Could you put aside your views about your perception of today and let us know what you think about the tenets. Do you agree with them or are you opposed to them? Some or all?

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    Re: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Thank you very much for that post. Genuinely stand in awe of Mr. Kirk's wisdom....
    You are welcome and glad you like his ideals. I believe it is a clearly stated set of beliefs of conservatism. I like its conciseness and its clarity.

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    Re: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

    Thanks to the site, The Imaginative Conservative, I found this profound quote from Judge Learned Hand:

    I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws, and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it. And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few – as we have learned to our sorrow.

    Thanks Wessexman.

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    Re: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Thanks to the site, The Imaginative Conservative, I found this profound quote from Judge Learned Hand:

    I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws, and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it. And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few – as we have learned to our sorrow.

    Thanks Wessexman.
    When I hear so much impatient and irritable complaint, so much readiness to replace what we have by guardians for us all, those supermen, evoked somewhere from the clouds, whom none have seen and none are ready to name, I lapse into a dream, as it were. I see children playing on the grass; their voices are shrill and discordant as children's are; they are restive and quarrelsome; they cannot agree to any common plan; their play annoys them; it goes poorly. And one says, let us make Jack the master; Jack knows all about it; Jack will tell us what each is to do and we shall all agree. But Jack is like all the rest; Helen is discontented with her part and Henry with his, and soon they fall again into their old state. No, the children must learn to play by themselves; there is no Jack the master. And in the end slowly and with infinite disappointment they do learn a little; they learn to forbear, to reckon with another, accept a little where they wanted much, to live and let live, to yield when they must yield; perhaps, we may hope, not to take all they can. But the condition is that they shall be willing at least to listen to one another, to get the habit of pooling their wishes. Somehow or other they must do this, if the play is to go on; maybe it will not, but there is no Jack, in or out of the box, who can come to straighten the game. Learned Hand

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    Re: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Another "GOD" based sermon.
    It would be a strange sort of sermon if it wasn't.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

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    Re: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

    So you could tell the difference, that's an ostrich on the left....
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    Re: When You Hear "Conservative", which Idea First Comes to Mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And by "real" you just happen to mean like one brand of conservatism, right? Not like any other forms of conservatism have been popular throughout American and world history, right?
    No, I mean not the big government, intrusive nonsense that has been espoused by the Republican party for the last couple of decades. You know, since the Democrats took over the party.
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