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Your Grade for Obama

Your Grade for Obama


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Didnt say we should have stepped in or attempted to control their fate (though we did that in Libya...and then oddly NOT in Syria...curious that). Do you know what Obamas position is on Egypt? Now? then? for a while it was trumpeted as a great success...these uprisings and democracy. Now...silence...huh...why is that? Perhaps because people are getting killed there now, people are still dying by the hundreds in those other countries, etc. And again...where is the LEADERSHIP?

Well, I never said Obama was a brilliant leader, but regardless my point remains that what happened in Egypt doesn't really reflect on his own performance. Outside of some sort of military action, the only "leadership" the President could actually show was to perhaps make endless speeches - something his opponents have consistently criticized him for anyway.

what you are proposing is that its OK to just not have a foreign policy...which is fine...that makes you a Ron Paul supporter. The difference between Ron Paul and Obama is that Paul makes no bones about not engaging the world in foreign policy.

I'm not actually proposing that, i'm not actually proposing anything, really. I'm only saying that Egypt had little to nothing to do with the President's "foreign policy performance."
 
Have you never heard of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, Richard Milhouse Nixon, James Earl Carter, Ronald Wilson Reagan, or William Jefferson Clinton?

Yes, no, yes, yes, no, no, no, yes. In that order. who the **** says Richard Milhouse Nixon?
 
Well, I never said Obama was a brilliant leader, but regardless my point remains that what happened in Egypt doesn't really reflect on his own performance. Outside of some sort of military action, the only "leadership" the President could actually show was to perhaps make endless speeches - something his opponents have consistently criticized him for anyway.

I'm not actually proposing that, i'm not actually proposing anything, really. I'm only saying that Egypt had little to nothing to do with the President's "foreign policy performance."

OK...I have noted your exception and provisionally changed the grade to a c-...no affect on overall grade. We agree to disagree.
 
Yes, no, yes, yes, no, no, no, yes. In that order. who the **** says Richard Milhouse Nixon?

Well, then you missed it because each of them had their middle name used.
 
OK...I have noted your exception and provisionally changed the grade to a c-...no affect on overall grade. We agree to disagree.

lol...overall I didn't have a lot of problems with what you said actually, it was just a little nitpicking. FWIW I voted for C overall as well.
 
yep...its a hard ugly world out there and sometimes you have to decide who you are going to get in bed with.
Ohhh yes it is. America can go on the public stage and says it supports democracy around the world and peace and freedom but then we support regimes like this.. Ohhh how wonderful. MAybe that is why a good part of the world hates us.

that reality thing is a bitch, isnt it.
Naa it shouldnt be a bitch. How about we just mind are own ****ing business?

How much more wonderful a world will it be when the Muslim Brotherhood seizes control, imposes sharia, reengages the persecution of women, kills gays, and allows terrorist actions against Israel? Sometimes you dont have a GREAT choice...you have to make the only wise and AVAILABLE choice.
The Muslim Brotherhood wants to do that?
The Freedom and Justice Party wants to do that?


Ideologues have no business in leadership positions. They ARE however comfortable and perfectly safe living in moms basement and letting the grown-ups take care of the hard work.
Right except if they are good ol Christians right?
 
Ohhh yes it is. America can go on the public stage and says it supports democracy around the world and peace and freedom but then we support regimes like this.. Ohhh how wonderful. MAybe that is why a good part of the world hates us.
Naa it shouldnt be a bitch. How about we just mind are own ****ing business?
The Muslim Brotherhood wants to do that?
The Freedom and Justice Party wants to do that?
Right except if they are good ol Christians right?
Ideologues...regardless of their religious bent or otherwise (idiotic of you to go there...but not shocking) have no business in leadership positions. And by all means...mind your own business...support Ron Paul...he's your guy.
 
Ideologues...regardless of their religious bent or otherwise (idiotic of you to go there...but not shocking) have no business in leadership positions. And by all means...mind your own business...support Ron Paul...he's your guy.

Ok... Well if the Muslim Brotherhood would stand with these ideas your listed off that would be one thing. But you to tell who can be the leaders of the country all the around the world is not supporting "freedom or democracy" its not your country of the USA's country. Its Egypt's county. The USA is not some police man of the world.
And this is not about who i "support".
 
I gave him a C-. It would have been lower, but I compared him to the recent alternative, GWShiiteForBrains, and realized he was an improvement by many multiples, so he got a passing grade. A real disappointment nevertheless.
 
Frankly, I don't see how what happened in Egypt really relates to Obama's performance.
His based would have admired him more had he stayed out of Egypt and Libya.
 
For my leftwing friends. :D

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I believe that what happened in Egypt was largely out of our control and didn't have a lot to do with American action. The Administration simply saw that the future of Egypt wasn't on Mubarak's side and decided to back the winning horse. This has little to do with actual policy or action, because don't we always say that speeches aren't policy?

Actually that isn't true because during the Egyptian revolution, the US was supporting both sides. Many Egyptian civil society groups had links to the US State Department (http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=70&release=989).
 
Ok... Well if the Muslim Brotherhood would stand with these ideas your listed off that would be one thing. But you to tell who can be the leaders of the country all the around the world is not supporting "freedom or democracy" its not your country of the USA's country. Its Egypt's county. The USA is not some police man of the world.
And this is not about who i "support".
"God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."
 
"God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."

"We believe that the political reform is the true and natural gateway for all other kinds of reform. We have announced our acceptance of democracy that acknowledges political pluralism, the peaceful rotation of power and the fact that the nation is the source of all powers. As we see it, political reform includes the termination of the state of emergency, restoring public freedoms, including the right to establish political parties, whatever their tendencies may be, and the freedom of the press, freedom of criticism and thought, freedom of peaceful demonstrations, freedom of assembly, etc. It also includes the dismantling of all exceptional courts and the annulment of all exceptional laws, establishing the independence of the judiciary, enabling the judiciary to fully and truly supervise general elections so as to ensure that they authentically express people's will, removing all obstacles that restrict the functioning of civil society organizations, etc."

Ikhwanweb :: The Muslim Brotherhood Official English Website
 
"We believe that the political reform is the true and natural gateway for all other kinds of reform. We have announced our acceptance of democracy that acknowledges political pluralism, the peaceful rotation of power and the fact that the nation is the source of all powers. As we see it, political reform includes the termination of the state of emergency, restoring public freedoms, including the right to establish political parties, whatever their tendencies may be, and the freedom of the press, freedom of criticism and thought, freedom of peaceful demonstrations, freedom of assembly, etc. It also includes the dismantling of all exceptional courts and the annulment of all exceptional laws, establishing the independence of the judiciary, enabling the judiciary to fully and truly supervise general elections so as to ensure that they authentically express people's will, removing all obstacles that restrict the functioning of civil society organizations, etc."

Ikhwanweb :: The Muslim Brotherhood Official English Website
interesting that you embrace religious theology. We'll certainly see where this takes us...hey...You should GO there!!! Help out! They would LOVE you!!!
 
interesting that you embrace religious theology. We'll certainly see where this takes us...hey...You should GO there!!! Help out! They would LOVE you!!!

Im "embracing it"? How? By showing what the Muslim Brotherhood stands for?
And sorry i just dont make up bull**** lies about a group what you did earlier....

P.S. (waiting on your accusations that im a spoiled kid who's mommy boy whos parents pay for his college any second now)
 
C-... and that's being a little generous. He has had obstructionist people thwarting him, but he has also been weak and ineffective in his own right.
 
B+. He was given the worst **** sandwich any president has been given in a long time. Two wars, an economy that was in total freefall, a world that had been made to hate us, thousands of detainees with nebulous legal status who had been abused... Senate Republicans that fillibustered every single piece of legislation, even stuff that they previously enthusiastically supported. Starting half way through a House of Representatives that did the same and worse yet who threatened to intentionally destroy the economy if they didn't have their demands met... It's been an incredibly tough road for Obama and given all that he has done well. He hasn't pushed aggressively for the liberal goals as much as I would have liked and until recently he seemed to still think he could compromise with the Republicans which always turned out to be a disaster. But other than that naive hope for bi-partisanship I think he has done a very solid job. The two year long collapse of the stock market halted just 6 weeks after he took office and it's up an outstanding 80% since then. We were losing 800,000 jobs a month when he took office and that number immediately began shrinking. Now we've actually added jobs 22 of the last 24 months. He got us out of both wars. Where Bush's approval rating globally was 18%, Obama hit 81%. He totally restored the dignity and influence of the US around the globe which is maybe our most important strategic asset of all. He didn't manage to get the public option in yet, which we are still desperate for, but he did manage to ensure that at the least everybody can get medical care when they need it, so on balance that is still a win. I'd give him a solid B+. And my impression is that he's learned the lessons he needed to learn during his first term, and the economy is recovering, so I predict his second term will be some variant of an A.
 
Im "embracing it"? How? By showing what the Muslim Brotherhood stands for?
And sorry i just dont make up bull**** lies about a group what you did earlier....

P.S. (waiting on your accusations that im a spoiled kid who's mommy boy whos parents pay for his college any second now)
I posted their creed...thats not making up lies its stating facts. guess what happens when Sharia gets used by fundamentalists...

I long ago stated that I am keeping my fingers crossed for what Egypt looks like...just as I am for Iraq...and the 'new' Libya. When we read that 'Islamists' have now won 2 of the 3 elections...well...pardon me if I get a little antsy about the advent of another fundamentalist state in the ME.

As to your basement status and mommy and daddy...why state the obvious. I WAS serious though...mindless ideologues SHOULD go out into the world. You should go to the ME. You should go to...say... Venezuela...or Cuba...or North Korea...LIVE there...really dig and embrace that Socialism thing.
 
I give him a B because no matter what anyone says, we don't know how our economy would've been had he not been president.
 
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