View Poll Results: Your Grade for Obama

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  • A -- Absolutely Wonderful

    0 0%
  • B -- Good

    14 15.56%
  • C -- Marginal

    32 35.56%
  • D -- Terrible

    29 32.22%
  • F -- The Greatest Traitor in U.S. History

    12 13.33%
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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    I will give him a C. He has done ok considering the classroom has no paper and everyone has to share a pen, can do better though! Just hope America doesnt make a knee jerk decision and instead actually give Obama a 2nd term to see what he can do.

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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Are you really trying to say that those that gave Obama a D or F are not serious people? That our votes don't count and as such the poll is "skewed"?
    No comment except to emphasize that I did say "most" serious people.

    The man is not a leader, he does not compromise on the things that he should compromise on and he does compromise on the things that he shouldn't compromise on and then there are the times that he just rams things through like it or not.
    The guy spent more in his first year than Bush did on the Iraq war.
    The guy promised transparency not only in general but especially for Health care reform...instead Obamacare was developed behind closed doors.
    The guy bowed to another foriegn national.
    He did a horrible job during the oil spill.
    He keeps saying that we need to ween our nation off of foreign oil but he won't let domestic oil be drilled for. As far as I know he hasn't even considered nuclear energy.
    He has signed legislation renewing the Patriot Act.
    He has signed legislation that requires citizens to buy insurance from private companies against their will.
    He has signed legislation that allows America to be deemed a warzone when no one is attacking us and the only wars going on is on the other side of the world....opening up the possibility that any citizen can be picked up and imprisoned without trial indefinitely.
    And finally but not least, he conducted a war in Lybia without the consent of Congress and is getting away with it by saying that since there are no soldiers on the ground it isn't a war. (sorry but if the same exact thing happened to the US you can be damned sure that we would consider it an act of war)
    Decent list, but I think some of it lacks some perspective regarding factors external to Obama's competence (or lack thereof).

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I will give him a C. He has done ok considering the classroom has no paper and everyone has to share a pen, can do better though!
    I think this states it pretty well.
    Last edited by Cameron; 01-05-12 at 11:37 AM.
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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    No comment except to emphasize that I did say "most" serious people.
    I'll concede that point and retract my statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Decent list, but I think most of it lacks some perspective regarding factors external to Obama's competence (or lack thereof).
    Such as?

    1: Him compromising or not or raming things through is totally within his purview. He decides on whether to compromise or not, no one else can....has he even vetoed one thing since he took office?
    2: This to is about legislation that he willingly signed.
    3: He promised it. If it is outside his purview then he never should have promised it to begin with. As such he is fully culpable for it not happening.
    4: Bowing to someone is totally with in his purview.
    5: He turned away tankers that could have helped clean up the oil and recycled it. His choice.
    6: Him not considering, or barely considering nuclear energy is with in his purview in that he can suggest and even push it to congress, I haven't seen him make such an effort. Also him stopping the domestic oil drilling was done via executive order so again, under his purview.
    7, 8, 9: His signature, totally within his purview.
    10: As he did not even get permission to conduct a war in Lybia and there was no threat to the US in Lybia him going to war with them was definitely within his purview.

    I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with number 2 as far as external things affecting him. Other than that I really don't see what external factors are involved.
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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    Marginal.

    Certain circumstances were out of his control and McCain would have had a tough time himself. Getting Bin laden was a positive ,increasing the debt a negative.
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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: Him compromising or not or raming things through is totally within his purview. He decides on whether to compromise or not, no one else can....has he even vetoed one thing since he took office?
    2: This to is about legislation that he willingly signed.
    3: He promised it. If it is outside his purview then he never should have promised it to begin with. As such he is fully culpable for it not happening.
    4: Bowing to someone is totally with in his purview.
    5: He turned away tankers that could have helped clean up the oil and recycled it. His choice.
    6: Him not considering, or barely considering nuclear energy is with in his purview in that he can suggest and even push it to congress, I haven't seen him make such an effort. Also him stopping the domestic oil drilling was done via executive order so again, under his purview.
    7, 8, 9: His signature, totally within his purview.
    10: As he did not even get permission to conduct a war in Lybia and there was no threat to the US in Lybia him going to war with them was definitely within his purview.

    I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with number 2 as far as external things affecting him. Other than that I really don't see what external factors are involved.
    2 was the best example. As for the references to signatures, I think that raises for me the more general problem I have with libertarianism/personal autonomy arguments, which I think place too much emphasis on gestures of consent and not a whole lot of thought into the underlying issues. But anyway, now I'm off topic.

    IMO, a grade of D would be warranted for hopeless incompetence and F for acting in bad faith against the best interests of the American people (i.e. for personal gain at the expense of the public), or perhaps with such a degree of incompetence that it jeopardizes the health or safety of the American public in the future. Coming up with some legislation behind closed doors and compromising/refusing to compromise on the wrong issues (while infuriating) doesn't quite rise to that level, IMO, especially at a time where the opposing party is not doing much to dissuade the impression that it is hungry to use even the slightest flub or thoughtless comment/meeting/action as a weapon. I've said before my opinion that the mandate of Obamacare is almost certainly constitutional, and I think outrage over what started as a Republican idea is more strategic than anything else. A bold and "radical" solution is needed to solve the healthcare crisis, and any decision made was/is bound to be controversial.

    Obama has huge transparency issues, and him signing the legislation that allows for indefinite detention is indefensible. But I think it's too early to give Obama failing grades for those reasons, because the harm is too hypothetical at this point.

    But anyway, your post gave me some new things to consider, so thanks.
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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I will give him a C. He has done ok considering the classroom has no paper and everyone has to share a pen, can do better though! Just hope America doesnt make a knee jerk decision and instead actually give Obama a 2nd term to see what he can do.
    good analogy lol.

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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I will give him a C. He has done ok considering the classroom has no paper and everyone has to share a pen, can do better though! Just hope America doesnt make a knee jerk decision and instead actually give Obama a 2nd term to see what he can do.
    Really? the first two years of his presidency his party had complete control of the government. Fact is they had ****ty party leadership...starting with him. Since he lost the majority in the house he still has a majority in the senate and has used his executive power overriding congress whenever it suits him. And are you really going to blame congress...or Bush for all those abject failings that the 'real' liberals hate him for? You know...passing the Obama tax cuts for the rich, extension and expansion of the patriot act, extending use of black ops prisons, denying terrorists constitutional rights, engaging in war...etc?

    He has had all the power he needed. And lets not forget that he was a part of that democrat majority in the house and senate since the election of 2006.

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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I would say a C-. Everything good he has done if it were a campaign promise was very washed down and he was not good at rallying the democrats when they had a super majority, a period he could have gotten quite a bit done. In this aspect, Bush and nearly every president of my lifetime other than maybe Bush Sr. has been better than Obama as president. On the flipside he has done quite a bit of good, but also has the foreign policy of a mainstream conservative.
    Wait a second... you mean "... but also has a foreign policy of a mainstream Republican". True conservatives wouldn't have a foreign policy that we have now - it costs too much and much of it is not needed.
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    Re: Your Grade for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Wait a second... you mean "... but also has a foreign policy of a mainstream Republican". True conservatives wouldn't have a foreign policy that we have now - it costs too much and much of it is not needed.
    True enough, but the mainstream Republican thinks otherwise.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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