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Thread: Smoking in Cars

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Really? That's your argument. "Show/tell me your problems."
    Of course. If you're going to make claim of detrimental effects, you should demonstrate those effects, yes? Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass and pretending to make proper correlation. I keep asking for quantified data. How much, what exposure time, what concentrations, are these concentrations found in vehicles, how long do you need to aggregate time in that vehicle to start seeing these negative results, etc. This is called data and to make an informed decision, you need data.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I do have asthma and severe sinus problems but there isn't much of a chance of me proving that those were caused by that second hand smoke exposure as a child. But, as a child, I did suffer having to breathe in that smoke and smelling like their smoke while at school. That is not exactly pleasant for a child and easily preventable with just a little inconvenience to a smoking parent (or other adult around the child).
    Of course you can't correlate that, there's a lack of data. I have asthma and sinus problems too. I had to have surgery when I was a kid to remove nasal polyps (ewwww) and I still have significant allergies. Yet my time around my grandparents and aunt who smoked was limited. I was in cars with them too, I hate the smell of smoke, I always hated coming back from the bars (this is when I was older of course) smelling like cigarettes. But did I reap demonstrable negative consequence? Can't say that I did. All I know is that I don't smoke, and I think it is VERY wise to not smoke around children either. But is there really enough risk involved which can be demonstrated to excuse government force? That's the real question.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I never said car fumes don't pose any medicinal problems.

    What, are you saying cigarette fumes and car exhaust are exactly the same?

    What were you saying about foolish posts, Bubba?
    i was pointing out that your post was absolutely foolish
    comparing the effects of second hand cigarette smoke to that of the fumes of car exhaust to assert that cigarette fumes pose a heightened risk
    but rather than me explain your own post to you, let's all have a look at it. i will emphasize the salient portion for your reading pleasure:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Cigarette smoke is different than car fumes. Secondhand smoke can still cause cancer, over enough time.

    My main problem is smoking in a care, with kids, with the windows "up," not down. Having asthma, when my uncle would smoke with the windows up it was like slow suffocation.

    So no, I see no problem with having government fine irresponsible parents who do this sort of crap. If the windows are down, that changes things.
    notice how you compared car exhaust fumes to second hand cigarette smoke, excoriating one's subjecting children to cigarette smoke while asserting that "Cigarette smoke is different than car fumes"

    again, withdraw your foolish post, which would present that cigarette smoke is harmful while auto exhaust fumes are not
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What should be done if a parent has the car windows up, is smoking, and has two children in the back seat?
    Nothing should be done by you or by the government. My car, my kids, my problem. Not yours. Mind your own business. That's what I say.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Nothing should be done by you or by the government. My car, my kids, my problem. Not yours. Mind your own business. That's what I say.
    But the health risks associated with smoking do become everyone's eventually, in terms of higher health care costs. So that argument only works in the short run.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    I was warned by admin about making personal attacks, so I will just leave it at this -. Live and let live. No one is looking to you to be the moral arbiters of morality, health or ethics. In fact, many might think it quite appropriate if you could limit your judgements to yourselves on these matters. I would suggest you'd me doing the rest of us a favor by sparing us your self-righteousness. Thank you.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Nothing should be done by you or by the government. My car, my kids, my problem. Not yours. Mind your own business. That's what I say.
    I'm border-line this mentality. It's why I believe strongly this decision needs to be made at the state level and would not vote positively on this 'federal level' poll.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course. If you're going to make claim of detrimental effects, you should demonstrate those effects, yes? Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass and pretending to make proper correlation. I keep asking for quantified data. How much, what exposure time, what concentrations, are these concentrations found in vehicles, how long do you need to aggregate time in that vehicle to start seeing these negative results, etc. This is called data and to make an informed decision, you need data.



    Of course you can't correlate that, there's a lack of data. I have asthma and sinus problems too. I had to have surgery when I was a kid to remove nasal polyps (ewwww) and I still have significant allergies. Yet my time around my grandparents and aunt who smoked was limited. I was in cars with them too, I hate the smell of smoke, I always hated coming back from the bars (this is when I was older of course) smelling like cigarettes. But did I reap demonstrable negative consequence? Can't say that I did. All I know is that I don't smoke, and I think it is VERY wise to not smoke around children either. But is there really enough risk involved which can be demonstrated to excuse government force? That's the real question.
    Why bother to have car seats mandatory? Why bother to have no open alcohol containers a law? Why bother to have laws against texting and driving?

    All these things are laws to prevent harm. But those who do these things are not necessarily going to cause harm just because they do these things or break these laws, especially the open container one.

    We do however have solid support for the fact that second hand smoke is harmful, especially to children. Even you admitted that earlier in this thread. If it is harmful to children, then we should try to limit their exposure to that smoke where we can, especially when there is an alternative to the activity. A person does not have to smoke in the car.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i was pointing out that your post was absolutely foolish
    comparing the effects of second hand cigarette smoke to that of the fumes of car exhaust to assert that cigarette fumes pose a heightened risk
    but rather than me explain your own post to you, let's all have a look at it. i will emphasize the salient portion for your reading pleasure:
    notice how you compared car exhaust fumes to second hand cigarette smoke, excoriating one's subjecting children to cigarette smoke while asserting that "Cigarette smoke is different than car fumes"

    again, withdraw your foolish post, which would present that cigarette smoke is harmful while auto exhaust fumes are not
    You misread my post. Both fumes are harmful. I never said one was more harmful than the other.

    With your misreading of my post, your responses are invalid.

    I said cigarette smoke is different than car fumes. [Notice all I said was "different."] I also said secondhand smoke can still cause cancer over enough time. [Notice that I didn't say car fumes can't, over any period of time.] Thus, my statements are factual, and you misread my posts.

    Show me exactly where and how you claim I compared cigarette smoke and car fumes. All I said was that they were different, because they are not absolutely the same in every single regard.

    Now, I think it is time you "withdraw" your posts, Bubba.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I was warned by admin about making personal attacks, so I will just leave it at this -. Live and let live. No one is looking to you to be the moral arbiters of morality, health or ethics. In fact, many might think it quite appropriate if you could limit your judgements to yourselves on these matters. I would suggest you'd me doing the rest of us a favor by sparing us your self-righteousness. Thank you.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Nothing should be done by you or by the government. My car, my kids, my problem. Not yours. Mind your own business. That's what I say.
    while i am opposed to the new nanny law, i cannot agree with this extreme

    allowing toddlers to stand in the passenger seat of a moving car (for example) is stupid parental behavior which should not be tolerated
    sometimes we must step in and protect the child from the parent's recklessness
    in the matter of second hand smoke, the cost of government intrusion outweighs the potential health benefits which might otherwise accrue
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