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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Yeah, but we need to balance the overall benefit of the law with the added cost of enforcing it. It might be a wash or negative? And do we really want to have such mundane actions be micromanaged? We have a law in my town that no smoking is allowed within 20ft of a doorway. I've actually seen people come out with tape measures. And what about wind? If I'm 18ft away but there is a strong wind blowing my smoke away from the door, can I argue that in court when I am ticketed? What if I'm fifty feet away but the wind is blowing my smoke towards the door? Can the police still ticket me?

    It borders on ludicrous.
    Like I said, we handle laws like this all the time. They are only ludicrous if you make up ludicrous examples that don't exist in reality.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    This is not a public health issue you (impersonal of course ) snotty imbecile.
    Exposing children to cigarettes smoke in enclosed areas is most definitely a public health issue.
    I do not smoke in enclosed spaces with my son or anyone else.
    Good! Then you have nothing to worry about. But this isn't just about you or your son, is it? Not every kid is lucky enough to have a dad as smart as you.

    You agree that smoking with a kid is harmful and you wouldn't violate this law - so why are you all upset about this?

    I just find that your presumption to know the limits of what others may or may not do is anathema to me. I have rarely seen such an abject idiotic argument. Are you for real? Do you have any friends?
    I know that exposing kids to smoke harms them. What else is there to know? If others don't do it, great! If they do, we need to stop them. What possible problem could you have with that?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    car exhaust has CO and other bad fumes. should we ban cars from having their windows open or using the fan to bring in outside air?

    think about..the children.
    You can play this game all day. Doesn't change anything.

    Cost vs. benefit. Look it up. It's a simple concept.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Good for you! Unfortunately, some kids have parents stupider than you and must have their health protected from them.
    I wish every parent in America would:
    • Smoke outdoors and refrain from smoking in the car when the kids are along for the ride
    • Refrain from using the television as a baby-sitter
    • Refrain from using junk food as a bribe or as a regular meal replacement
    • Make sure their kids get plenty of sunshine, fresh air and exercise
    I think the nation as a whole would benefit if these were the practices of parents from coast-to-coast. I do not, however, want to give the government the authority to enforce and regulate these things. If you start involving the government in the elimination unhealthy habits, what's next? High-impact sports? Staying up too late? How far do we want to let the government into our knickers?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    car exhaust has CO and other bad fumes.
    You realize that I can just as easily turn the tables on you, don't you? Watch:

    Parents want to pump car exhaust into their kids' bedrooms at night? Why not? After all, we let them feed them sugary cereal and sit around campfires. The government should stay out of their private lives!
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    I have no problem with laws that ban smoking in cars with children in them. I was a child of a smoker (dad) plus another smoker (my grandmother) lived with us most of my childhood. Being in the car with them while they smoked was horrible as a child. And not only would my father and grandmother just try to excuse their smoking as "a bad habit" or "it calms them while they are in the car" but my mother also defended the behavior and would jump on me for even suggesting that neither should smoke around us kids despite not smoking herself.

    And enforcing it would be basically the same as enforcing seat belt laws or texting while driving laws. Just pull over the person if you see them doing the activity.

    I live in California, which has had this law in place for a while. My husband doesn't smoke in the car with the boys, but didn't even when we lived in NC and HA, where they don't have these laws. Not all smoking parents are like my husband though, and the kids suffer because of the smoking of their inconsiderate parents. Reducing that suffering, even just a little, is a good thing.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Please mister, I give up take my smokes...

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I wish every parent in America would:
    • Smoke outdoors and refrain from smoking in the car when the kids are along for the ride
    • Refrain from using the television as a baby-sitter
    • Refrain from using junk food as a bribe or as a regular meal replacement
    • Make sure their kids get plenty of sunshine, fresh air and exercise

    I think the nation as a whole would benefit if these were the practices of parents from coast-to-coast. I do not, however, want to give the government the authority to enforce and regulate these things. If you start involving the government in the elimination unhealthy habits, what's next? High-impact sports? Staying up too late? How far do we want to let the government into our knickers?
    Lame slippery slope argument. Here, let me try it:

    What's next? If we stop regulating smoking in cars, will we let parents feed their children sludge? Or pump bleach into their veins?

    We can, AND DO, allow parents to do certain things, and disallow them from doing other things. Nobody, including you, thinks that is a bad thing. You don't support total government control of parenthood, nor do I, and you also don't support making child abuse legal.

    All I am proposing is moving one, and only one, act from the legal category to the illegal. Everything else is a different issue.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, campfires inside cars on a daily basis should also be banned.

    Don't play this game, it's stupid.
    yes, let's DO play this game
    you want to keep the kids absolutely safe, then ban the kids from being in an automobile
    each time the child is placed in a moving automobile, they are at some degree of risk
    we cannot remove ALL risk
    the risk of damage to a child by the occasional exposure to second smoke does not outweigh the imposition of a nanny state
    we could prohibit exposing kids to sugars
    nitrates in cured meats
    prohibit them from basements because of potential radon exposure
    eliminate their access to video games because of its potential affects on their developing behavior
    compel dry baths to minimize the possibility of a drowning incident
    NO swimming by kids. they may not survive

    as you can likely tell, this places in the subjective area of what is acceptable and what is extreme. in my never humble opinion, such a prohibition places makes us subject to too much government to prevent too little risky behavior

    and let's not even enter into the fray about the enforcement of such absurd provisions
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Exposing children to cigarettes smoke in enclosed areas is most definitely a public health issue.


    Good! Then you have nothing to worry about. But this isn't just about you or your son, is it? Not every kid is lucky enough to have a dad as smart as you.

    You agree that smoking with a kid is harmful and you wouldn't violate this law - so why are you all upset about this?



    I know that exposing kids to smoke harms them. What else is there to know? If others don't do it, great! If they do, we need to stop them. What possible problem could you have with that?
    The problem I have with is that some people think they have the right to dictate to others what is right and what is wrong. My decision was personal. Do not presume to dictate to others what is right and what is wrong. You have neither the moral nor intellectual credentials to do so.
    Last edited by Meathead; 01-03-12 at 04:50 PM.

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