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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What does those children being hungry have to do with those children who are suffering because of their parents smoking around them?

    Sometimes they are the same children. Maybe those parents spending a little less on cigarettes (since they wouldn't be smoking that one in the car when their children are there) might leave enough money to buy some food for the children.
    What does one have to do with the other? You're kidding? Maybe if the goody goodies didn't raise the taxes on tobacco through the roof trying to both make more money for the gov and force smokers to quit the kids would have more food. Incongruous is what I call the two situations of taking the money and effort it cost to punish smokers for the sake of the children but not even provide enough food. That's pure hypocrisy to say lets keep smoke out of their lungs but not put food in their bellies. Provide some soup kitchens with the tobacco taxes instead of trying to keep Congress rolling in high salaries, benefits and more money to waste.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    What does one have to do with the other? You're kidding? Maybe if the goody goodies didn't raise the taxes on tobacco through the roof trying to both make more money for the gov and force smokers to quit the kids would have more food. Incongruous is what I call the two situations of taking the money and effort it cost to punish smokers for the sake of the children but not even provide enough food. That's pure hypocrisy to say lets keep smoke out of their lungs but not put food in their bellies. Provide some soup kitchens with the tobacco taxes instead of trying to keep Congress rolling in high salaries, benefits and more money to waste.
    You do realize that most people in the situation you are describing can get food stamps, right? Food stamps pay for food. Pretty sure the people feel that they have set up a plan to put food in those kids' bellies before they started worrying about taking, at least some of, the smoke from their lungs.

    Honestly, maybe if companies paid their people more, and their execs a little less, then those workers might be able to afford food for their kids.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You do realize that most people in the situation you are describing can get food stamps, right? Food stamps pay for food. Pretty sure the people feel that they have set up a plan to put food in those kids' bellies before they started worrying about taking, at least some of, the smoke from their lungs.

    Honestly, maybe if companies paid their people more, and their execs a little less, then those workers might be able to afford food for their kids.
    In 2010, children were food insecure at times during the year in 9.8 percent of households with children, that's with Food Stamps. The average person who applies for Food Stamps receives $135 per person and even if you got $175 per month for food. That's about $5.83 per day -- less than $2 per meal. How well would you eat on less than $2 per meal? You'd have to live on their level for awhile before you could understand but I have and it's no fun going hungry. Our priorities as a Nation are out of whack because people can't empathize with those who have less opportunities anymore.

    I'm not advocating smoking, nor do I think it's a harmless habit. It's simply not other peoples business to over regulate a legal product they don't politically agree with or because of it's cost in healthcare, when there are multitudes of more products with harmful exposure to children. It's strictly a politicized issue that has more to do with if a group can power grab at this freedom, what's next?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Other than the fact that this is more government intervention in the people's private lives in "the name of the children!!!!"... What does enacting an unenforceable law really do to change anything?

    The law is unenforceable.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    In 2010, children were food insecure at times during the year in 9.8 percent of households with children, that's with Food Stamps. The average person who applies for Food Stamps receives $135 per person and even if you got $175 per month for food. That's about $5.83 per day -- less than $2 per meal. How well would you eat on less than $2 per meal? You'd have to live on their level for awhile before you could understand but I have and it's no fun going hungry. Our priorities as a Nation are out of whack because people can't empathize with those who have less opportunities anymore.

    I'm not advocating smoking, nor do I think it's a harmless habit. It's simply not other peoples business to over regulate a legal product they don't politically agree with or because of it's cost in healthcare, when there are multitudes of more products with harmful exposure to children. It's strictly a politicized issue that has more to do with if a group can power grab at this freedom, what's next?
    I spent most of my life at that level.

    We spend about $500 for groceries a month with a family of 5 (3 adults, 2 children under 5). I can easily stretch our money to get meals for our family that are about $10 or less per day for all three meals plus milk and juice throughout the day for the boys. We even get snacks.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Other than the fact that this is more government intervention in the people's private lives in "the name of the children!!!!"... What does enacting an unenforceable law really do to change anything?

    The law is unenforceable.
    How? If you see someone smoking in a car with a child in it, why can't you pull them over for doing so?

    And, would the law itself not cause at least some people to just not smoke with their children in the car? If it stops some from smoking with children in the car who would otherwise do so, then it is helping.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not identical logic.
    It certainly is. The primary reason people drive their children around, forcing them in a situation where they are at risk, is convenience.

    The only thing that isn't identical is my proposal would actually be effective.



    Smoking is a destructive habit of a person with no real proven benefits. And it certainly has no benefits to the child exposed to the secondhand smoke.

    Driving, however, can get a person to a place faster. Which, in some cases, can mean life or death. And it doesn't necessarily have to be an emergency at that time. A child that needs certain treatments is going to need those treatments is not going to be able to walk to those treatments, but it doesn't mean that an ambulance could come pick the child up everytime they need that treatment.

    That's a very rare situation, but a special license can be granted in those situations, but only to be used in those situations.

    The main reason why people drive their children around, however, is simple convenience.

    You are not being realistic in your assessment of driving. And I'm pretty sure you know that. The comparison is not equivalent.
    I'm being very realistic. I'm willing to make exceptions for actual cases where driving the child is dangerous. But y'all don't want to compromise, despite all the BS about caring about the safety of children.

    My theory is that it's only only about their safety when it wouldn't be inconvenient for the one's making the argument. My proposal would be just as inconvenient for me as it would be for anyone else.

    Perhaps that is because my logic is not dependent on my own convenience.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    How? If you see someone smoking in a car with a child in it, why can't you pull them over for doing so?

    And, would the law itself not cause at least some people to just not smoke with their children in the car? If it stops some from smoking with children in the car who would otherwise do so, then it is helping.
    Helping do what exactly?

    Do you know how many people of my and earlier generations had parents who smoked in the car and have lived perfectly normal lives?

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    My car? My Rights! If I own something? I should be able to smoke cigs (which is LEGAL!) anytime I want without having to do to anything. The Car is MINE.

    Having said that? Of course I am gonna at least crack a window in the Winter if some little brat is in my car
    The car is yours, but the child that you are forcing to share the smoke with is NOT your property. That child has rights too, rights you are violating by forcing him/her to inhale your personal poison.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Preventable by proper choices of parents. Not the government's business.
    It is the government's responsibility to protect the rights of ALL citizens. If parents will wontonly violate the legitimate rights of their children, than the government has the responsibility to step in and protect their rights...
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