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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So then preventing people from getting sick from potentially raw, undercooked, or spoiled food through food safety laws is wrong then?
    Yes. You are trying to trap me in a train of thought I have thought through thinking that I haven't. Good luck with that.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are not the only person in those areas. They are areas entered by other people who are affected by what you do in those areas. If you are smoking, you are affecting other people's health.
    If I own a restaurant.... I should be allowed to allow smoking on my private property if I so choose to do so.
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    roguenuke just answer me this how are you going to enforce that law? Pull over every suspected smoker with kids? I just don't realistically see that happening, so what's the point of even making such nonsense, except to say "you filthy smokers suck!" If the habit is so offensive then make it illegal, then California will sell it in tobacco shops for ailments.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because you refuse to discuss the cost/benefit analysis associated with all those things. That is where the argument goes from something that is potentially harmful but still could have benefit to something that is potentially harmful that has very little benefit.
    The cost benefit analysis has been a major component of my arguments. That's why there was an exception for ambulances and other emergency vehicles.

    I simply rejected the idea that simple convenience is a "benefit" which outweighs the cost of children's lives.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What are you talking about?

    Research says that second hand smoke is dangerous time and again.
    Research says driving in cars is dangerous time and again.

    Smoking in a car with a child present, on the other hand, provides no real advantages to a person besides convenience to indulge in a destructive habit around others.
    Driving in a car with a child present in the car, on the other hand, provides no real advantages to a person besides convenience to indulge in a destructive habit around others.

    The logic is identical. You just fail to recognize that the vast majority of driving with children is done for convenience rather than necessity.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    roguenuke just answer me this how are you going to enforce that law? Pull over every suspected smoker with kids? I just don't realistically see that happening, so what's the point of even making such nonsense, except to say "you filthy smokers suck!" If the habit is so offensive then make it illegal, then California will sell it in tobacco shops for ailments.
    They don't have to pull over everyone to get it to work.

    Either they can do it as a primary or secondary law, just as seatbelt use is done. It can be a primary offense in which they can pull people over if they see it happening. Not impossible to do. This is the better way to go because people are more likely to get caught doing it and have the punishment curb their use. But, more than that, some people would just stop smoking in their cars while their kids are inside to avoid getting a ticket for doing so. That is mainly what laws against smoking are for to begin with.

    How many people do you think smoke in their apartments now in areas that have laws against smoking in apartment buildings? I would say not many, despite very few tickets or evictions ever needing to be made to curb the behavior. Why? Because people don't want to break the law.

    And I know what I am saying is true because the no smoking in apartments (although it also included apartment balconies) law went into effect in Hawaii while I was there. My husband and neighbors all smoked. As soon as the law went into effect, they were all going done to the parking area that was designated as the smoking area to smoke. This is the same thing that will happen with no smoking in cars with children laws. They aren't looking to pull over everyone, and they won't have to. Just having the law in place will curb the behavior.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Research says driving in cars is dangerous time and again.

    Driving in a car with a child present in the car, on the other hand, provides no real advantages to a person besides convenience to indulge in a destructive habit around others.

    The logic is identical. You just fail to recognize that the vast majority of driving with children is done for convenience rather than necessity.
    Not identical logic.

    Smoking is a destructive habit of a person with no real proven benefits. And it certainly has no benefits to the child exposed to the secondhand smoke.

    Driving, however, can get a person to a place faster. Which, in some cases, can mean life or death. And it doesn't necessarily have to be an emergency at that time. A child that needs certain treatments is going to need those treatments is not going to be able to walk to those treatments, but it doesn't mean that an ambulance could come pick the child up everytime they need that treatment.

    You are not being realistic in your assessment of driving. And I'm pretty sure you know that. The comparison is not equivalent.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They don't have to pull over everyone to get it to work.

    Either they can do it as a primary or secondary law, just as seatbelt use is done. It can be a primary offense in which they can pull people over if they see it happening. Not impossible to do. This is the better way to go because people are more likely to get caught doing it and have the punishment curb their use. But, more than that, some people would just stop smoking in their cars while their kids are inside to avoid getting a ticket for doing so. That is mainly what laws against smoking are for to begin with.

    How many people do you think smoke in their apartments now in areas that have laws against smoking in apartment buildings? I would say not many, despite very few tickets or evictions ever needing to be made to curb the behavior. Why? Because people don't want to break the law.

    And I know what I am saying is true because the no smoking in apartments (although it also included apartment balconies) law went into effect in Hawaii while I was there. My husband and neighbors all smoked. As soon as the law went into effect, they were all going done to the parking area that was designated as the smoking area to smoke. This is the same thing that will happen with no smoking in cars with children laws. They aren't looking to pull over everyone, and they won't have to. Just having the law in place will curb the behavior.
    If you keep eliminating where people can smoke there won't be any places left, so why not make it illegal? All the energy wasted on this could be used for something far more immediate like
    --36.3 million people--including 13 million children--live in households that experience hunger or the risk of hunger. This represents more than one in ten households in the United States (11.2 percent). Isn't that a much bigger and more serious problem that should be addressed before wasting one more minute on the long term effects of SHS? Fix the hunger then we'll see.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If you keep eliminating where people can smoke there won't be any places left, so why not make it illegal? All the energy wasted on this could be used for something far more immediate like
    --36.3 million people--including 13 million children--live in households that experience hunger or the risk of hunger. This represents more than one in ten households in the United States (11.2 percent). Isn't that a much bigger and more serious problem that should be addressed before wasting one more minute on the long term effects of SHS? Fix the hunger then we'll see.
    I could care less if they do make it illegal. Not ideal, because there are still places a person can smoke, including their car as long as kids are not in it with them.

    I doubt they will though. Tobacco is still a cash crop. It helps the economy.

    People just want the bad side effects the habit to be contained. It isn't much different than having laws on where a person can drink alcohol. There are different laws for the two though because the bad side effects from the two things are different.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If you keep eliminating where people can smoke there won't be any places left, so why not make it illegal? All the energy wasted on this could be used for something far more immediate like
    --36.3 million people--including 13 million children--live in households that experience hunger or the risk of hunger. This represents more than one in ten households in the United States (11.2 percent). Isn't that a much bigger and more serious problem that should be addressed before wasting one more minute on the long term effects of SHS? Fix the hunger then we'll see.
    What does those children being hungry have to do with those children who are suffering because of their parents smoking around them?

    Sometimes they are the same children. Maybe those parents spending a little less on cigarettes (since they wouldn't be smoking that one in the car when their children are there) might leave enough money to buy some food for the children.
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