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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Yes I can see it now. Police chasing down that mad smoker for lighting up in their car and dragging them away in cuffs. It'll be a crime wave and the officer will enforce that about as often as jay walking. Talk about a waste of time and resources.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Originally Posted by Removable Mind
    I think that your example is not only irrational, but you have confirmed my belief that you don't really have serious concern about the health of children.

    CAR ACCIDENTS are just that. BUT diseases and death cause by children being FORCED to be exposed to secondhand smoke in both the home and cars are 100% PREVENTABLE.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I think that your example is not only irrational, but you have confirmed my belief that you don't really have serious concern about the health of children.

    CAR ACCIDENTS are just that. BUT diseases and death cause by children being FORCED to be exposed to secondhand smoke in both the home and cars are 100% PREVENTABLE.
    Deaths of children due to car accidents are 100% PREVENTABLE.. OMG!!!!! And they are FORCED INTO CARS!!!! They have no choice!!!!! And a hell f a lot more children die from car accidents than second hand smoke. An absurdly larger number. Like the vast majority of children who die under the age of 18 die form car accidents.

    And these deaths are 100% PREVENTABLE..
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Deaths of children due to car accidents are 100% PREVENTABLE.. OMG!!!!! And they are FORCED INTO CARS!!!! They have no choice!!!!! And a hell f a lot more children die from car accidents than second hand smoke. An absurdly larger number. Like the vast majority of children who die under the age of 18 die form car accidents.

    And these deaths are 100% PREVENTABLE..
    From this link: Secondhand Smoke and Children - Secondhand Smoke

    a California EPA study has estimated that between 1900 and 2700 children die annually of SIDS due to secondhand smoke

    This is from this link: Children & Car Accidents; the Alarming Statistics

    According to the National Center for Statistics and Analysis (NCSA), nearly 250,000 children are injured every year in car accidents.

    This means that on any given day nearly 700 children are harmed due to accidents on our roadways. Of the 250,000 kids injured each year, approximately 2,000 die from their injuries.
    So technically more children die of secondhand smoke, which is more preventable then say getting hit by a possible impaired driver.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    So technically more children die of secondhand smoke...
    I like your dishonest and utterly transparent selective editing of the quote by leaving out "There are a variety of opinions about the role secondhand smoke plays after birth in SIDS deaths, but..."

    You realize one study does not make for "technically". It means at best Hypothetically.

    But there's another massive problem with your dishonest approach. You failed to provide any evidence that this estimate had anything to do with exposure in cars.

    Not only that, you are obviously citing flawed information. Here's why: If those numbers are at all accurate, they would basically account for each and every SIDS death that occurs annually in the US (which is about 2500 per year).

    At most, second hand smoke exposure has been shown to be a risk factor for SIDS, but it is certainly not the primary cause, nor is it even the worst of the smoking related causes (smoking while pregnant does a lot more to increase SIDS risk).

    Therefore, I have call bull**** on that study, since it clearly indicates that second hand smoke is the primary cause of SIDS, which is known to be false.

    NOw if they were citing WORLDWIDE stats, then you are again using a dishonest tactic by comparing that to the US statistics for traffic accidents. Worldwide, a few hundred thousand children die each year from traffic accidents which were 100% preventable.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I like your dishonest and utterly transparent selective editing of the quote by leaving out "There are a variety of opinions about the role secondhand smoke plays after birth in SIDS deaths, but..."

    You realize one study does not make for "technically". It means at best Hypothetically.

    But there's another massive problem with your dishonest approach. You failed to provide any evidence that this estimate had anything to do with exposure in cars.

    Not only that, you are obviously citing flawed information. Here's why: If those numbers are at all accurate, they would basically account for each and every SIDS death that occurs annually in the US (which is about 2500 per year).

    At most, second hand smoke exposure has been shown to be a risk factor for SIDS, but it is certainly not the primary cause, nor is it even the worst of the smoking related causes (smoking while pregnant does a lot more to increase SIDS risk).

    Therefore, I have call bull**** on that study, since it clearly indicates that second hand smoke is the primary cause of SIDS, which is known to be false.

    NOw if they were citing WORLDWIDE stats, then you are again using a dishonest tactic by comparing that to the US statistics for traffic accidents. Worldwide, a few hundred thousand children die each year from traffic accidents which were 100% preventable.
    well yes but this law is for the united states, we cannot make laws for other countries.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    well yes but this law is for the united states, we cannot make laws for other countries.
    Then we should only compare data from the US. The second hand smoke/SIDS data you cited was worldwide.

    Therefore, it's clear that many more children are killed by being car passengers than by SHS. And your own data indicated that 250,000 children are harmed by being car passengers yearly. 700 daily.

    It's clear we need to ban children being driven in cars because all of these injuries and deaths are 100% preventable!

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Deaths of children due to car accidents are 100% PREVENTABLE.. OMG!!!!! And they are FORCED INTO CARS!!!! They have no choice!!!!! And a hell f a lot more children die from car accidents than second hand smoke. An absurdly larger number. Like the vast majority of children who die under the age of 18 die form car accidents.

    And these deaths are 100% PREVENTABLE..
    Beam my kids up Scotty. When transportation options ends - so does our modern way of life. Do you prefer horse and buggy?

    More effective safety devices can be made to protect kid in cars. One of the easiest safety devices to use by a parent is - Don't smoke in the car with a kid held hostage.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Beam my kids up Scotty. When transportation options ends - so does our modern way of life. Do you prefer horse and buggy?
    How does not putting your kids at risk end the modern way of life?

    More effective safety devices can be made to protect kid in cars.
    When one is 100% effective, then we should rescind the ban.

    One of the easiest safety devices to use by a parent is - Don't smoke in the car with a kid held hostage.
    So you support holding them hostage in the car and putting their lives at great risk, but you just frown on smoking while doing so.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    tobacco is legal.

    until its illegal, folks have the right to smoke in their own home or in their car.
    I don't have a problem with people smoking in the car. What I DO have a problem with is when they flick their butts out the window. That's a public litter nuisance. If you want to smoke, man up and use your ashtray, don't throw your trash at me.


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