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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That is Gross Negligence. Deadly weapons are not playthings.
    Cigarettes are deadly.

    Do we have a way of isolating the long term to one specific cause?
    Good point here. Many studies have shown the long-term effects of smoking and second-hand, but not for perhaps specifically smoking inside a car.


    So can many things.

    The government needs to get out of the parenting business unless serious intended physical harm is being done.
    If the government's job is to protect its citizens, then the "nanny state" is required here.


    It starts that way.... it ends much worse.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    which sock should you put on first in the morning left or right ? i dunno the government should decide.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    which sock should you put on first in the morning left or right ? i dunno the government should decide.
    Don't bait. We aren't advocating anything of the sort.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Cigarettes are deadly.
    Scissors are deadly, yet we allow children to use them unsupervised. Its all about the INTENT of the device. Guns are INTENDED as weapons of war/killing/disabling/etc. They are intended to cause harm. Thus playing with one in such a manner as you described would, in my opinion, constitute gross negligence. The same would be said if a parent was encouraging children to stab one another with scissors. Or if a parent was encouraging their child to smoke cigarettes at a young age, and providing it for them.



    If the government's job is to protect its citizens, then the "nanny state" is required here.
    I disagree.



    I don't think you need a tinfoil hat for this specific case, Caine.
    I still fail to see why this issue is so important that it requires more government involvement in our lives.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The government needs to get out of the parenting business unless serious intended physical harm is being done.
    Though smokers might not be intending harm to children in a vehicle, they still are, like stated above the child is left defenseless to it, and could in turn have a negative health reaction. That in the long run the taxpayers will end up paying for. Smoke all you want, it is not mine or the gov't choice, but when the burden falls on the taxpayer to pay for this neglect is when the line has to be drawn. Waste your life if you want, just don't expect a penny from me to pay for medical bills.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No. I'm saying that we should focus on real dangers instead of imaginary ones. Car accidents are the number one killer of children under 18. Second-hand smoke ain't even on the radar.

    If we want to ban something in order to protect children, we should ban something that will actually do something useful. The bonus is that banning people from driving their children around will also prevent any of them from being exposed to second hand smoke in the car.



    By putting their kids in the car, they place that child at far more risk for death and long term injury than second-hand smoke does. The child often doesn't have a choice to be in a car. If it's all about the children, we should simply ban driving with children in the car altogether. Problem solved and now we can actually protect children in the process.
    I think that your example is not only irrational, but you have confirmed my belief that you don't really have serious concern about the health of children.

    CAR ACCIDENTS are just that. BUT diseases and death cause by children being FORCED to be exposed to secondhand smoke in both the home and cars are 100% PREVENTABLE.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Earlier today I heard a conversation about Arkansas, and the illegality of smoking in cars with the windows up. According to them, it's illegal to smoke in a car with children that are, iirc, 6 years of age or younger? I don't know which law this is, and have beeb searching for it to find out exactly what the law entails.

    I have this link that seems to support the conversation I heard: Law on smoking in car with children could change Arkansas - The Debate Team - BabyCenter

    Assuming this is true, I have no problem with the law.

    In fact, I'd like to see smoking in cars with the windows up completely banned, because I've heard 2nd/3rd-hand smoke is pretty dangerous.

    Would you like to see this law applied for the whole country? What do you think?
    I was one of the children forced to sit in a car driven by a smoking parent. Now that I can vote, I'm retaliating by fully supporting a full smoking ban in cars. I don't care about your rights because you didn't care about mine.

    Smoking bans: don't like them, don't smoke.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    Smoking bans: don't like them, don't smoke.
    That was pretty funny.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Though smokers might not be intending harm to children in a vehicle, they still are, like stated above the child is left defenseless to it, and could in turn have a negative health reaction. That in the long run the taxpayers will end up paying for. Smoke all you want, it is not mine or the gov't choice, but when the burden falls on the taxpayer to pay for this neglect is when the line has to be drawn. Waste your life if you want, just don't expect a penny from me to pay for medical bills.
    Since when does government have the authority to restrict freedom because we assume that the child's healthcare costs will be placed on the taxpayers?

    Another perfect example of why national health care is just another power grab for the federal government.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I think that your example is not only irrational, but you have confirmed my belief that you don't really have serious concern about the health of children.

    CAR ACCIDENTS are just that. BUT diseases and death cause by children being FORCED to be exposed to secondhand smoke in both the home and cars are 100% PREVENTABLE.
    Preventable by proper choices of parents. Not the government's business.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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