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Thread: Smoking in Cars

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

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    That's not anyone else's problem. Me and misterman have challenged you with logical debate, and you responded by talking about how angry you are that someone has dared to challenge your beliefs. This is a debate forum. Get used to this. If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    K, so what is "long term"? What is the exposure time? Short term has philological responses, but are those damaging or temporary? What are the concentrations required? Does walking through a cloud of smoke have the same potential of harm as being in a car with a smoker? What is the realized increase in risk? 1%, 10%, 56%? How does that realized increase in risk correlate to exposure time? Is there a graph? That would be helpful.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I lived with a chain smoker for 18 years of my life, you do not notice the smell as much as someone who is not around it a regular basis. It is not the smell that bothered me growing up it was the smoke being in face and breathing in the smoke.
    I've never really lived around smoke, so the smell bothers me.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    exposure to VOCs from cleaning products
    Children are at particular risk for health problems from inhaling VOCs, because they breathe in more air with respect to their body mass than adults and thus have greater exposure to indoor environmental pollutants.
    10 percent (27.5 million people) of the US population at risk for health problems, such as coughing, eye irritation, headaches, asthma, allergies, and in rare cases Legionnaire’s disease, carbon monoxide poisoning and cancer.
    http://www.aerias.org/uploads/Inhala...20Products.pdf

    While my posts may be a bit off topic I just wanted to point out that our children's health is constantly in harms way by the products we use yet I have seen smoking brought up many many times while everything else is largely ignored. I believe in large it simply comes down to how people perceive things and how it personally affects them and not about the issue of children's health. Non smokers are much more likely to view smoking in a negative light while never considering their own actions. It is to easy to attach a stigma to things that a person has a negative view on while it is much harder to do so with things you may support (like cleaning).

    If you are against placing children in an environment where second hand smoke is present that is fine and understandable however, do not be bias or short sighted and ignore things that you may do that is also harmful. When you consider all the things that can harm children would you also support laws making them illegal when children are present or is smoking the only thing that should be? I think the answer to that question will show a lot about where people really stand on the issue.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    you got the balls to demand "Density Hours" stats.
    Why? That would be an exceedingly helpful metric. Everyone says it increases risk this and that; but no one says BY HOW MUCH. If there is this much research, there must be some graphs, yes? Let's see them. I like graphs.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    K, so what is "long term"? What is the exposure time? Short term has philological responses, but are those damaging or temporary? What are the concentrations required? Does walking through a cloud of smoke have the same potential of harm as being in a car with a smoker? What is the realized increase in risk? 1%, 10%, 56%? How does that realized increase in risk correlate to exposure time? Is there a graph? That would be helpful.
    Long term would probably be defined as being with a smoker for months and even years on end.

    Short-term effects are likely temporary, but restriction of blood flow to the heart can be damaging, especially (and this is just educated guessing on my part) if someone has heart conditions.

    Logically, the probability of effects would increase when in a closed or near-closed area. Inhalation of smoke is damaging, and closed areas contain the smoke, which would increased the amount of smoke inhaled. The increase may not be that much larger (although I'm guessing it is), but it is there. If A causes B, and B causes C, then A causes C. Simple logic.

    I don't have the exact numbers, but, as before, the more smoke inhaled would logically increase the amount of damage to one's health.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Now it's your turn, Ikari. Show the cost of preventing smoking in the car as opposed to the benefits. Show why the government's involvement in such matters would lead to a communist dictatorship. I want graphs and statistics
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Now it's your turn, Ikari. Show the cost of preventing smoking in the car as opposed to the benefits. Show why the government's involvement in such matters would lead to a communist dictatorship. I want graphs and statistics
    I never said communist dictatorship. But if we want to excuse the increase in government force, there must be proof and reason for it. And if these are all "won't somebody please think of the children" arguments; why just smoking?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? That would be an exceedingly helpful metric. Everyone says it increases risk this and that; but no one says BY HOW MUCH. If there is this much research, there must be some graphs, yes? Let's see them. I like graphs.
    Probably comic books work better for you. Again, in the face of an ongoing truth about secondhand smoke on humans of all ages...you dump sheer nonsense and ridicous stat demand as proof.

    You apparently have no regard for other peoples rights....despite not being a smoker.

    Your logic in this matter is - its okay to drop an atomic bomb in the next city west of mine. My city is out of range of the explosion. The problem will be for your city is the radiation fallout. The effects of that radiation will last for eons. You and your fellow citizens will experience a range of serious effects that you can't escape. The fallout will exist in various places where you spent accumulative "density hours", which I take that term to mean exposure time in each environment.

    Okay, you can go back to reading "Fantasy World".
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I grew up with a parent who smoked in the car, and I've had respiratory issues the rest of my life because of it. Smoking around children in this manner is child abuse. It's bad enough to do it in your home, but at least there the kid can go to a different room if they are really suffocating. In a car there is nowhere to go.

    If a parent was spraying aerosols onto their kid you would call it abusive, yet it's ok to exhale toxic tobacco smoke into a tiny space where children are? I don't think so.

    I don't think a law for this will do much good and I dislike authority more than I dislike smokers, but I really think hot-boxing your car with cigarettes while there are children in there is immoral and it's enough to warrant the involvement of social services.
    It may not stop everyone, but just having the law in place discourages some who would otherwise do it without thinking.

    I've watched my husband get into the car by himself many times, and the first thing he does before he even starts the engine, is light a cigarette up. It never fails, when he is alone in the car. Even when I am in the car with him. But he restrains from this habit when the boys are going to be with us. He consciously thinks about getting that cigarette in before he gets into the car.

    The punishment for smoking in the car should just be a ticket with a small fine, like not wearing your seat belt or not having your children properly restrained.
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