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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    But you love enabling those who infringe on the rights of others via this known addiction of smoking that has scientifically verifiable serious consequences on those who are exposed to effects of this respective addiction.

    If someone (legal adult) wants to smoke their brains out and kill or seriously damage themselves WITHOUT cost to me or to those who can't defend themselves from being exposed...then go for it!
    I've asked for quantifiable data too and haven't gotten it. All I get is appeal to emotion. Your argument sucks.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why not? Studies show that SHS can be passed even after one has smoked a cigarette. If you smoke outside and come inside, you can still expose your children to SHS. So why not? Ain't we thinking of the children here?



    As I said, smoking outside doesn't help because the chemicals which are of concern in SHS cling to cloths and body and slowly outgas. Meaning that even if you smoke outside, you can still bring your SHS with you. A smoker smells like cigarettes, yes? Guess what that smell is? SHS.




    Why just cars? Why only enforce with cars? If the health of the children is our main concern, should we not be hitting this issue on every front which poses threat to a child's health?



    So can walking outside. Lots of radiation there. And if you live at higher altitudes....damn! Denver the radiation is significantly higher than at sea level due to a mile less atmospheric interactions.
    Is any of this actually the same as locking a child in a car and forcing them to breath in the smoke from a couple of cigarettes or more or are you just trying to grasp at straws to try to justify forcing children to breath in cigarette smoke?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    http://www.wcaslab.com/tech/FactSheet.PDF

    Clearly we should make it illegal to give children chocolate and charge parents who give their children a chocolate treat with abuse. Clearly the answer to bad parents is more government. One day we can ban all things harmful to children and the world will be a different place!
    Man, after looking at this, it's amazing the human race has even survived this long with all these bad parents running around.

    That's it, no one can have kids. Randomly you will have a number called, report to a government facility where your DNA will be extracted and combined with a suitable companion DNA set and the government will handle reproduction and the raising of children. It doesn't seem that humans in general can be trusted with human reproduction.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Is any of this actually the same as locking a child in a car and forcing them to breath in the smoke from a couple of cigarettes or more or are you just trying to grasp at straws to try to justify forcing children to breath in cigarette smoke?
    Yes. You claim SHS is so horrible it drops kids dead faster than flogging them with a cord (hahaha, ok that was hyperbole). But you only wish to tackle on aspect of it. Smoking in cars. Smoking in the home is just as dangerous. Even if you go outside you don't eliminate the problem, SHS follows you. Why one case and not the other? Are we thinking of the children or aren't we?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've asked for quantifiable data too and haven't gotten it. All I get is appeal to emotion. Your argument sucks.
    You're simply avoiding reading the scientific reports on post #149.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then what about people who overfeed their children, or don't make them go out to play and get exercise? Fines for them? Jail? State takes the kids away? If someone is caught repeatedly smoking around their kids, do you take their kids away? State knows best? They are denying their kids a healthy development.
    Anyone who abuses drugs around their children is liable to lose their children. I would say the same about abusive alcoholics. Tobacco smoke scars the lungs of young children. It's not like we are talking about teenagers here. At least if they are 16-18 they could theoretically leave home to avoid the toxins. Children are innocent and can't do anything about it.

    The other scenarios you describe... they can cause long-term damage, sure, but that damage can be undone. An obese child can lose weight; an underactive child can grow up and learn the value of exercise. Nothing you do to fibrotic lungs will make them better, I can testify to that, and I live an almost obsessively healthy lifestyle.

    Smoking in confined spaces with children present is clear cut child abuse. I don't see how there is room for argument there.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you're ok with evil parents at home smoking around their kids, causing them to die; and you'll do nothing about it! Smoking around your kids is like injecting them directly with meth! For the children's sake, we cannot allow this behavior to persist any longer.
    Ah, the classic libertarian argument. If it may be hard to enforce, it cannot be enforced! Quit the reductio ad absurdum and engage us in rational debate. It has been shown that secondhand smoke is harmful, and the rights of the smoker stop where the rights of their children begin.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes. You claim SHS is so horrible it drops kids dead faster than flogging them with a cord (hahaha, ok that was hyperbole). But you only wish to tackle on aspect of it. Smoking in cars. Smoking in the home is just as dangerous. Even if you go outside you don't eliminate the problem, SHS follows you. Why one case and not the other? Are we thinking of the children or aren't we?
    Your telling me that a enough SHS hangs around to equal locking a child in the car or some other confined space and forcing the child to breath in cigarette smoke for 5-10 minutes or more? Having grown up with a parent who smokes I can tell you its not the same.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Should you make it illegal for your kids to go to downtown areas or in front of fireplaces or crowded intersections or anywhere were the air is of less than perfect quality?
    I'm thinking maybe it should be illegal to post before reading through a thread.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Man, after looking at this, it's amazing the human race has even survived this long with all these bad parents running around.

    That's it, no one can have kids. Randomly you will have a number called, report to a government facility where your DNA will be extracted and combined with a suitable companion DNA set and the government will handle reproduction and the raising of children. It doesn't seem that humans in general can be trusted with human reproduction.
    Come on! Even the smallest amount of government intervention will be treated as fascism! And it's not all-or-none. The government can protect children without being an Orwellian superpower that libertarians shake in their boots about.
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