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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Their habits are toxic and doing it around children is neglectful abuse of their healthy development.
    Then what about people who overfeed their children, or don't make them go out to play and get exercise? Fines for them? Jail? State takes the kids away? If someone is caught repeatedly smoking around their kids, do you take their kids away? State knows best? They are denying their kids a healthy development.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You want to drive up the cost of my health insurance in order to protect your addiction while simultaneously damaging short and long term health of your kids....

    Addicts do get touchy when being confronted with the truth about their self-destructive behaviors. It really chaps their ass when being confronted about how their denial regarding how their addiction injures others.
    I don't smoke. Nice assumption.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This is only true to a point, we all expose our children to harmful toxins on a daily basis. Toxins in our carpet, furniture, vehicles, foods, perfumes, cleaning products, the list is endless. I suspect most people that complain about second hand smoke and children conveniently forget about everything that they expose there children to.
    The government regulates plenty of toxins in all those things too.

    And some of us go beyond that and want further regulation. And we keep the stuff out of our homes in the meantime.

    So yeah, let's add carpets and stuff to our list of harmful chemicals we shouldn't expose our kids to, for no good reason.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Should you make it illegal for your kids to go to downtown areas or in front of fireplaces or crowded intersections or anywhere were the air is of less than perfect quality? It's one thing to ban smoking with child passengers in a closed off car due to obvious secondhand smoke issues, but it's another thing to ban someone from smoking in their entire home (that is better ventilated). Parents should be allowed to smoke in their homes while they still have children living with them. A home cannot be compared to a poorly ventilated car, unless of course the family enjoys hanging out in the closet with the door shut while mom and dad enjoy a pack.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The government regulates plenty of toxins in all those things too.

    And some of us go beyond that and want further regulation. And we keep the stuff out of our homes in the meantime.

    So yeah, let's add carpets and stuff to our list of harmful chemicals we shouldn't expose our kids to, for no good reason.
    so you're just on some anti-smoking crusade then? There are certainly a lot of factors which can negatively impact the health of growing children; yet smoking is the only one we should consider? Not obesity which is the number one problem currently? Becoming a nation of little piggies; far more impacting than perhaps a small amount of SHS. Childhood diabetes is no laughing matter. What else should we not regulate in your zeal to only regulate smoking? And here I thought you were thinking of the children.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Should you make it illegal for your kids to go to downtown areas or in front of fireplaces or crowded intersections or anywhere were the air is of less than perfect quality? It's one thing to ban smoking with child passengers in a closed off car due to obvious secondhand smoke issues, but it's another thing to ban someone from smoking in their entire home (that is better ventilated). Parents should be allowed to smoke in their homes while they still have children living with them. A home cannot be compared to a poorly ventilated car, unless of course the family enjoys hanging out in the closet with the door shut while mom and dad enjoy a pack.
    If you smoke outside and then come inside, you can still expose your children to SHS. The chemicals in it are given to sorption and will outgas over long periods of time.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Should parents be prevented from smoking until all children are out of the house then?
    No.This is not about telling parents to give up smoking.This is about telling parents not to some in front of their kids. Its not hard to go outside or to go to a designate room in the house that is off limits to the kids to smoke.


    What's your solution.No one has once quantified this problem in the whole of this thread; but we do know certain correlations exist.
    My friends who have children do not smoke in front of their kids.They smoke outside or smoke in a designated room in the house that is off limits to the kids and they do not smoke in the car while the kids are in the car. I am not saying the parents have to give up smoking. A parent who drinks doesn't make their kids drink whiskey.

    If we ban smoking in a car, why not a house? And if a house, how do you ensure that the children are being brought up in a safe environment?

    I do not think anyone is saying that parents should permanently be banned form smoking in their cars, were just saying they should be banned from smoking in their cars while their kids are in the car.




    Sometimes, yes. What's your point? Are you saying that smoking around a child is like continuously flogging them with an extension cord for years?
    Floggin would leave long term damage on someone as well as effective. I am pretty sure smoking around a child and practically puffing smoke in front of that child's face would possibly leave long term damage on the child's lungs and greatly put then at risk for cancer and respiratory problems.
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    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control considers lead poisoning the major
    environmental health threat to children in the United States
    The increased lead in a child’s diet from eating candy increases the lead in the
    child’s blood system, which in turn adversely affects their neurological
    development, meaning lower IQ scores and the like. In 1999, the Centers for
    Disease Control reported that the average blood lead level for children ages 1 to 5
    in America was 2.0 micrograms per deciliter (“ug/dl”) of blood; for children ages
    6-11, the number was 1.3 ug/dl.3 The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has
    determined that for every microgram of lead that a child consumes, their blood
    lead level is increased by 0.16 ug/dl,4 and that a sustained 1 μg/dL increase in
    blood-lead concentration results in a loss of 0.257 IQ points in an average child.

    Based on the blood lead level data developed by the Centers for Disease Control
    and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the consumption of just one of
    these typical M&M chocolate snacks results in an 18% increase in an average 6
    year old child’s blood lead level.

    The consumption of a typical Kraft Chocolate Fudge Pudding (2.7 micrograms of
    lead) results in a 33% increase in an average 6 year old child’s blood lead level.

    The consumption of a typical Nestlé’s Double Chocolate Meltdown Cocoa Drink
    (3.67 micrograms of lead) results in a 45% increase in an average 6 year old
    child’s blood lead level.
    http://www.wcaslab.com/tech/FactSheet.PDF

    Clearly we should make it illegal to give children chocolate and charge parents who give their children a chocolate treat with abuse. Clearly the answer to bad parents is more government. One day we can ban all things harmful to children and the world will be a different place!

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't smoke. Nice assumption.
    But you love enabling those who infringe on the rights of others via this known addiction of smoking that has scientifically verifiable serious consequences on those who are exposed to effects of this respective addiction.

    If someone (legal adult) wants to smoke their brains out and kill or seriously damage themselves WITHOUT cost to me or to those who can't defend themselves from being exposed...then go for it!

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No.This is not about telling parents to give up smoking.This is about telling parents not to some in front of their kids. Its not hard to go outside or to go to a designate room in the house that is off limits to the kids to smoke.
    Why not? Studies show that SHS can be passed even after one has smoked a cigarette. If you smoke outside and come inside, you can still expose your children to SHS. So why not? Ain't we thinking of the children here?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My friends who have children do not smoke in front of their kids.They smoke outside or smoke in a designated room in the house that is off limits to the kids and they do not smoke in the car while the kids are in the car. I am not saying the parents have to give up smoking. A parent who drinks doesn't make their kids drink whiskey.
    As I said, smoking outside doesn't help because the chemicals which are of concern in SHS cling to cloths and body and slowly outgas. Meaning that even if you smoke outside, you can still bring your SHS with you. A smoker smells like cigarettes, yes? Guess what that smell is? SHS.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think anyone is saying that parents should permanently be banned form smoking in their cars, were just saying they should be banned from smoking in their cars while their kids are in the car.
    Why just cars? Why only enforce with cars? If the health of the children is our main concern, should we not be hitting this issue on every front which poses threat to a child's health?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Floggin would leave long term damage on someone as well as effective. I am pretty sure smoking around a child and practically puffing smoke in front of that child's face would possibly leave long term damage on the child's lungs and greatly put then at risk for cancer and respiratory problems.
    So can walking outside. Lots of radiation there. And if you live at higher altitudes....damn! Denver the radiation is significantly higher than at sea level due to a mile less atmospheric interactions.
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