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Thread: Smoking in Cars

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And now we should put cameras in the house, to make sure. I mean, think of the children won't you?
    Nobody advocates that, Ikari (except maybe Viktyr and Graffias). We haven't needed to put cameras in to catch people doing cocaine and pot, so we wouldn't need it to keep parents responsible.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Smoking near a child can cause damage to their lungs especially in an enclose space just like beating a child with a extension cord can leave marks and damage tissue.
    It can cause damage. How much, what concentration, over what time period? Is there a minimum exposure limit, if so what sort of density-hours are we looking at? How permanent is the "damage", to what extent is the damage?

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Nobody advocates that, Ikari (except maybe Viktyr and Graffias). We haven't needed to put cameras in to catch people doing cocaine and pot, so we wouldn't need it to keep parents responsible.
    So you're ok with evil parents at home smoking around their kids, causing them to die; and you'll do nothing about it! Smoking around your kids is like injecting them directly with meth! For the children's sake, we cannot allow this behavior to persist any longer.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It can cause damage. How much, what concentration, over what time period? Is there a minimum exposure limit, if so what sort of density-hours are we looking at? How permanent is the "damage", to what extent is the damage?

    Damn, I got spanked and **** when I was kid sometimes, left bruises too. I seem to be better.
    Depending on how the physical discipline happens, it can have psychological scarring that lasts a lifetime. But that's not what this thread is about - it's about second hand smoke affecting harming in a closed space, which has decades worth of scientific evidence proving it to be true. It's why public indoor smoking is banned in virtually every district. If it's harmful to the public in those settings then how can it not be harmful to children in an enclosed car?

    I'm reserved about state interventionism and expansion of powers as much as you are, but I have fibrotic scarring on my lungs and reduced intake volume because of the way my parents smoked irresponsibly around me. I will probably have some kind of COPD or emphysema when I'm a senior, even though I never smoked a day in my life. I have the medical proof to demonstrate what it did to me.

    The reason why the state gets involved in circumstances like this is because people are too stupid to educate themselves about the harm their habits have on children. If people used their freedom responsibly in this case, we wouldn't be having discussion. And yes, "responsibility" in this case can be CLEARLY defined and not abused by the state. Don't smoke in your car with children present. Do it and you get fined, or worse.

    As for what goes on in your home... the right to smoke indoors around your children is maintained for now, but if you were smoking crack or meth the law would detain you immediately. Commercial tobacco can be just as nefarious on your body, and the bodies of the developing children, as that.

    I'm more libertarian than most but I don't give ground to smokers. Their habits are toxic and doing it around children is neglectful abuse of their healthy development.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you're ok with evil parents at home smoking around their kids, causing them to die;....
    err...how many kids have died due to second-hand smoke?

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It can cause damage. How much, what concentration, over what time period? Is there a minimum exposure limit, if so what sort of density-hours are we looking at? How permanent is the "damage", to what extent is the damage?
    I am pretty sure that living in the same house with someone who smokes for 18 years and riding in the same car while someone smokes for 18 years can have an impact,especially if that parent or parents smoke more than a pack a day.


    Damn, I got spanked and **** when I was kid sometimes, left bruises too. I seem to be better.
    The key word is sometimes as in once in a while.However I am not talking about a spanking I am talking about getting beat with an extension cord.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    err...how many kids have died due to second-hand smoke?
    How dare you not think of the children!
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am pretty sure that living in the same house with someone who smokes for 18 years and riding in the same car while someone smokes for 18 years can have an impact,especially if that parent or parents smoke more than a pack a day.




    The key word is sometimes as in once in a while.However I am not talking about a spanking I am talking about getting beat with an extension cord.
    then you would want to see a law preventing the parents from smoking in their home, again subjecting their children to second hand tobacco smoke?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am pretty sure that living in the same house with someone who smokes for 18 years and riding in the same car while someone smokes for 18 years can have an impact,especially if that parent or parents smoke more than a pack a day.
    Should parents be prevented from smoking until all children are out of the house then? What's your solution. No one has once quantified this problem in the whole of this thread; but we do know certain correlations exist. If we ban smoking in a car, why not a house? And if a house, how do you ensure that the children are being brought up in a safe environment?


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The key word is sometimes as in once in a while.However I am not talking about a spanking I am talking about getting beat with an extension cord.
    Sometimes, yes. What's your point? Are you saying that smoking around a child is like continuously flogging them with an extension cord for years?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you're ok with evil parents at home smoking around their kids, causing them to die; and you'll do nothing about it! Smoking around your kids is like injecting them directly with meth! For the children's sake, we cannot allow this behavior to persist any longer.
    You want to drive up the cost of my health insurance in order to protect your addiction while simultaneously damaging short and long term health of your kids....

    Addicts do get touchy when being confronted with the truth about their self-destructive behaviors. It really chaps their ass when being confronted about how their denial regarding how their addiction injures others.

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