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Thread: Smoking in Cars

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Erm..yes, you do have to prove that in-car passive smoking is a greater risk than a dozen other potential health risks that parents subject their kids to. If you can't then advocating such measures is tokenistic hypocrisy.
    You're right. We should ban all smoking around kids period. There, your objection is resolved.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Erm..yes, you do have to prove that in-car passive smoking is a greater risk than a dozen other potential health risks that parents subject their kids to. If you can't then advocating such measures is tokenistic hypocrisy.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Gosh...I did a magnificant post on #149, which is a great opportunity to learn some vital facts about second hand smoke.

    Spoiler Alter: These scientific studies aren't for addicts in denial. So you might not want to even waste your time glancing at hundred of pages of studies that tell how you...a smoker...are damaging the lives of those around you. Especially don't read the short version by the Center for Disease control on how you are damaging your kids' (or somebody elses kids) health and lives.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But there's a limit to that.

    Exposing children regularly to pretty much any other harmful substance could be grounds for child abuse charges. Why not smoke?

    This is only true to a point, we all expose our children to harmful toxins on a daily basis. Toxins in our carpet, furniture, vehicles, foods, perfumes, cleaning products, the list is endless. I suspect most people that complain about second hand smoke and children conveniently forget about everything that they expose there children to.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That's like saying if a parent beats their child with an extension cord and leaves bruises then do nothing and mind your own business.
    Kids get beat with belts and switches and such all the time. I suppose if smoking anywhere near a child were actually like physical beating you would have a point. But it's not, so you don't.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, because that's only half the equation. There are different costs and difficulties associated with regulating other risks. It's quite easy to simply say no smoking in the car with kids. There's no good reason to allow it. It's a minor burden on parents, that's all. They need to open a window or don't smoke. Big deal.
    We're not arguing here whether smoking in cars with kids is a good or bad idea. I haven't read anyone saying it's a good thing to do. The issue is about legislation; legislating on an issue does not necesarily solve it. The point is that if you are going to legislate on personal health behaviour you should begin with those aspects of behaviour that pose the greatest risk, not those that are just the trendiest. I believe childhood obesity is a FAR, FAR greater risk than passive smoking. Where's the outrage, where's the punitive legislation proposals on this issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Oh what the hell...here's a bit of info that is loaded with over 700 pages of scientific study on the effects of second hand smoke. I realize that there are a few in this forum that probably would have difficulty in understanding the reports and will still refute the scientific findings no matter what the studies report. But...that's how denial and ignorance works.

    http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/librar...fullreport.pdf

    And for all of you that have little to no respect for the health of children (and probably more so their own kids)...because it interferes with their addiction....

    http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_inf...GenPop_508.pdf
    Try this...Obesity In Children And Teens | American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
    300,000 deaths a year. Please point to the stats for passive-smoking caused deaths in either of those links you posted. I just went through them and failed to find them.

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    I'd do that too.
    I'm sure you would.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're right. We should ban all smoking around kids period. There, your objection is resolved.
    And now we should put cameras in the house, to make sure. I mean, think of the children won't you?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And now we should put cameras in the house, to make sure. I mean, think of the children won't you?
    Don't go giving them ideas! Some people get off on the idea of omniscience. If it's good enough for God, it's probably good enough for the state.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    We're not arguing here whether smoking in cars with kids is a good or bad idea. I haven't read anyone saying it's a good thing to do. The issue is about legislation; legislating on an issue does not necesarily solve it. The point is that if you are going to legislate on personal health behaviour you should begin with those aspects of behaviour that pose the greatest risk, not those that are just the trendiest. I believe childhood obesity is a FAR, FAR greater risk than passive smoking. Where's the outrage, where's the punitive legislation proposals on this issue?



    Try this...Obesity In Children And Teens | American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
    300,000 deaths a year. Please point to the stats for passive-smoking caused deaths in either of those links you posted. I just went through them and failed to find them.

    I'm sure you would.
    Then you are blind my friend...blind. I know, I know...700 pages on the Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke isn't thorough enough for you...but no surprise there. In fact, I knew you'd be the first to claim there are no relevant stats in either of those reports. You claim there aren't any. I challenge you to go over the reports again.

    Frankly I don't give a damn about legislation. I do care about the scientific information that might used to determine legislation.

    OHHHHHHHHHH! I get it now... There are so many things parents do to **** up their kids...so just don't do anything about anything to protect their safety, health, and well being. GREAT CRITICAL THINKING and LOGIC, Dude....

    You see, I'm gonna do everything in my power to stop you, a smoker, from imposing your addiction on me...which is scientifically proven to be dangerous to my health...and others. That includes children. If that requires me advocating for legislative action to protect myself...then I'll do just that. If I have to sue...I'll do that. It's done frequently and many cases have been and will be won against those who refuse to stop infringing on others.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Kids get beat with belts and switches and such all the time. I suppose if smoking anywhere near a child were actually like physical beating you would have a point. But it's not, so you don't.
    Smoking near a child can cause damage to their lungs especially in an enclose space just like beating a child with a extension cord can leave marks and damage tissue.
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